Dallas vs San Antonio (Austin, Fort Worth: trains, design, commuting)

[Dangerfield]

I can see where this thread is heading.

Anyways... Danilo-11 by your description of preferences, San Antonio may fit your desires better than Dallas. Best wishes.

It's been fun everyone... C ya!

[SweethomeSanAntonio]

Originally Posted by Spade

I mean, c'mon now. Dallas and Fort Worth can say it's 10 miles apart than. And Washington DC and Baltimore can say they are 22 miles apart. I mean, any MSA can use this argument.

And all those cities have been denoted as one urban area in many rankings. San Antonio-Austin is next. What matters is what growth takes place in between both cities. New Braunfels, San Marcos, Kyle, Buda etc are growing intensly.

[allbizness]

I hope some of you know that distance play no part in determining whether or not two or more MSA's should be combined to form a CSA or PMSA.

The Miami–Fort Lauderdale–Pompano Beach CSA should be enough to tell you distance is not look upon in this issue, Miami is almost 70 miles (67) from West Palm Beach, so it'd be great if that argument just ended already.

It's based on commuter patterns. You need a combined percentage, I'm not certain of the number, of inter MSA travel on a daily basis, usually for work but not limited to just that.

[schertz1]

Originally Posted by BBQgritz

Source?

Google maps directions.

[Spade]

Originally Posted by allbizness

It's based on commuter patterns. You need a combined percentage, I'm not certain of the number, of inter MSA travel on a daily basis, usually for work but not limited to just that.

Which is what I was saying earlier in the thread and the commuter patterns do not justify San Antonio or Austin will merge.

But Miami-Ft. Lauderdale-WPB is an MSA and WPB was only added in 2000. But basically it comes down to the commuting patterns to the central area of the primary city. If it does not meet the threshold of I believe 25%, it will not become an MSA or a CSA.

A poster by the name of hudkina posted this on SSP that better explains it than anyone on this thread.

I don't see how you think San Antonio and Austin will share a CSA by 2020...

The commuter interchange rate between the Austin MSA and the San Antonio MSA is only 2.3%

There is no way in hell that number is going to rise to at least 15% by 2020. And even if for some reason it does, you would need at least 25% for automatic inclusion. There are a lot of adjacent MSAs that fall between 15% and 25% and aren't included in CSAs simply because local delegates decided against merging them.

[Howest2008]

Originally Posted by BBQgritz

The new real estate being created by Mona Loa in Hawaii is also taking shape; and may be inhabited before Austin-San Antonio form a Census Bureau recognized MSA.

Minneapolis/St Paul - 9.1 miles

SF/Oakland - 11.5 miles

D/FW - 31 miles

SeaTac - 33.4 miles

Baltimore/DC - 38.5 miles

Austin/SA - 80 miles

That's quite a stretch, considering Austin's primary growth is north and northwestwards.

Austin - San Antonio
Google Maps

D/FW
Google Maps

Ah Ah Ah Ah....Not So Fast...
Minneapolis..St. Paul border each other
San Francisco and Oakland are only 3 miles apart YBI is consider S.F.
By The Way I'm From The BAY..
D/FW Yeah You Right 31 Miles
Seattle/Tac I'm Not Sure
Washington D.C./Baltimore 33 Miles
San Antonio/Austin Not Sure

And for the longest San Francisco and Oakland wasn't considered one Metro Area but Dallas/FW was I guess That They Had A Sweetheart Deal With The Census

[imaterry78259]

Originally Posted by Howest2008

Ah Ah Ah Ah....Not So Fast...
Minneapolis..St. Paul border each other
San Francisco and Oakland are only 3 miles apart YBI is consider S.F.
By The Way I'm From The BAY..
D/FW Yeah You Right 31 Miles
Seattle/Tac I'm Not Sure
Washington D.C./Baltimore 33 Miles
San Antonio/Austin Not Sure

And for the longest San Francisco and Oakland wasn't considered one Metro Area but Dallas/FW was I guess That They Had A Sweetheart Deal With The Census

SA metro -Austin metro 3 miles apart

[TXperson]

Originally Posted by SweethomeSanAntonio

I am stubborn.

Thanks for sharing.

[dcoolbro]

Originally Posted by BBQgritz

San Antionio:
warm weather: some of us enjoy a more four season climate.

close to the beach: whether I'm in SA or Dallas, I'd still fly to SPI.

close to Mexico: don't see the advantage.

lots of hispanics: I enjoy a area with a more varied ethnic populous.

close to CC Austin Houston: Dallas is diverse and large enough that many don't feel the need to be near other large cities in the state. Besides, we have two major airports with a wide range of non-stop domestic and international flights.

Dallas:
warm weather: see above.

close to Oklahoma: better Oklahoma than Mexico.

close to NE Texas (backwoods): some of the most beautiful scenery in the state is only 1 hour east of Dallas, love the hilly piney woods and numerous lakes.

close to Shreveport: I enjoy the casinos.

Austin: nice day trip.

Waco: OK.

Lots of hispanics to mow your lawn: some but; I actually see alot of Hispanics with their own businesses and in white collar jobs, many seem to do very well in Dallas.

better jobs: yep.

But the thread is based on the OP's criterion, not yours. San Antonio is probably a better fit for HIM.

[Spade]

Originally Posted by Howest2008

Ah Ah Ah Ah....Not So Fast...
Minneapolis..St. Paul border each other
San Francisco and Oakland are only 3 miles apart YBI is consider S.F.
By The Way I'm From The BAY..
D/FW Yeah You Right 31 Miles
Seattle/Tac I'm Not Sure
Washington D.C./Baltimore 33 Miles
San Antonio/Austin Not Sure

And for the longest San Francisco and Oakland wasn't considered one Metro Area but Dallas/FW was I guess That They Had A Sweetheart Deal With The Census

Actually, Dallas city limits to Fort Worth city limits are as little as 10 miles apart. Downtown Dallas to Downtown Fort Worth is 30+ miles apart. This is Texas. We like are cities big in total square miles.

Dallas and Fort Worth have always been together because they work as one even though there is a small rivalry between the two. They both share the same airport. But to be fair. Dallas and Fort Worth for a while was not considered one metro area for a while themselves.

SA metro -Austin metro 3 miles apart

Doesn't mean it should be one metro. As the poster above said earlier on this page. Distance is not the main reason why a metro is considered one. Commuter levels are and those stats do not justify these two city metro areas merging anytime soon. Maybe in 25 years but I hope not. Don't want to see 60 miles of endless suburban sprawl.