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Old 09-08-2008, 09:32 PM
 
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The eight original "Public Ivies" are as follows:

UVA, Michigan, UNC, UT-Austin, Miami University (OH), William & Mary, Cal-Berkeley, and Univ. of Vermont.

Public Ivy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I don't buy that list of yours. It's is flawed. I have no doubt that UVA, Michigan, UNC, Berkeley, William & Mary are on that list, but not the rest.

UCLA should be there too.

Miami University and Univ. of Vermont?? Are you kidding me? Maybe 50 years ago, but not in the 21st century. As matter of fact, University of Florida is ranked higher and harder to get into than UT-Austin.
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Old 09-08-2008, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Visitor - read the Wikipedia article; the list will make more sense as the reasoning for the designation is not purely academic.

For the record, I have no stake in that list - I am a student at SMU.
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Old 09-09-2008, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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Sorry I'm going by hearsay.
You may have been thinking of Bob Jones University. ;-) I had a Geology professor whose mantra was, "everything is optional."
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Old 09-09-2008, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Wow, why is Rice on THAT list of yours. Rice is up there Ivies levels such as Duke, Brown, etc. and NOT Texas Tech, Sam Houston, and UNT.
Exactly. I would consider Rice in its own league as far as Texas universities go.
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Old 09-09-2008, 10:44 AM
 
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I wanted to say that UNT has amazing professors there. Dr. Phil graduated from there! It's a weird and liberal culture there; however, the educators are great.

UTD is young but is up and coming too.

When I was at UT for graduate school, professors were terrible and clearly capitalistic. It's all about the money and nepotism in my opinion. A disgrace to education and a waste of time.

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I've heard from a couple of people that UT and A&M aren't really that good as people think. Baylor is too preachy and force their beliefs on you. I heard Texas Tech,Sam Houston,UNT,and Rice are really good schools and very underrated.
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Old 09-09-2008, 03:18 PM
 
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Wow, why is Rice on THAT list of yours. Rice is up there Ivies levels such as Duke, Brown, etc. and NOT Texas Tech, Sam Houston, and UNT.

Eh, I agree Rice is in a league of its own in Texas, but don't lump Tech in with the likes of UNT and SHSU.
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Old 09-15-2008, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Houston
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UH has been climbing the rankings lately. I think UH is next in line to get promoted to tier 1 status in Texas....along with UT and A&M. Houston needs a premier public University in the city....with the city booming the way it is we need a University that can attract top talent.
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Old 09-16-2008, 01:42 PM
 
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UH has been climbing the rankings lately. I think UH is next in line to get promoted to tier 1 status in Texas....along with UT and A&M. Houston needs a premier public University in the city....with the city booming the way it is we need a University that can attract top talent.
With all do respect, Texas Tech is next in line for promotion to Tier 1 status. Tech has all the foundations to be a premier research institution. It simply requires adequate funding from the state which has been extremely lacking in years past. UH is a good school settled within a booming metro area, but in terms of endowment, academics and notoriety, it trails far behind Texas Tech.

That being said, I agree UH deserves Tier 1 recognition along with UNT or possibly UT-Dallas. The fact that Texas only has 2 top tier institutions is embarassing. It's a testament to the old school politics that have kept UT and A&M's stranglehold on Texas higher education for their own selfish gains, while the state as a whole suffers.

It's time to move Texas' higher education to where it belongs: Leading the nation. Tech and UH should lead the charge!
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Old 09-16-2008, 03:17 PM
 
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I graduated from a so-called "Tier 1" university, and honestly, people make way too much of a deal out of the rankings.
There's too much incentive now for universities to push teaching to the back burner (since it cannot be easily "measured" by the questionably qualified people who author the "ranking" systems), in favor of research dollars, which are easily quantified .

Research dollars are important, of course, but quality instruction also results in a positive economic impact. It's just harder to track.
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Old 09-16-2008, 06:19 PM
 
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Absolutely true.

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I graduated from a so-called "Tier 1" university, and honestly, people make way too much of a deal out of the rankings.
There's too much incentive now for universities to push teaching to the back burner (since it cannot be easily "measured" by the questionably qualified people who author the "ranking" systems), in favor of research dollars, which are easily quantified .

Research dollars are important, of course, but quality instruction also results in a positive economic impact. It's just harder to track.
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