Texas is a Red state, so will you vote? (Howe: insurance, closing)

[5stones]

The devil you know versus the devil you don't know.

I voted, I feel it's your duty as an American to vote. Too many people died to give us that right. If you want to throw it away then I suggest you go an live in a county that does not have such a luxury to get rid of leaders etc... in a peaceful civilized way. in just a week this country could change over to a new set of ideals, govt policies etc, and know what? Not one life will be lost in the process, that is pretty great in my opinion.

If you don't vote you have given all rights to bad mouth or complain about whoever wins. No matter how bad they screw up our country. But, something tells me they will be the first.

Economicly as well as Security, I am very wary for how I feel this election is going to turn out. May God help us indeed. (until they take God out of everything American)

[texasdreamin]

Originally Posted by TexasGirl@Heart

Now the one when he was only 8 yrs old can be looked over, but what about the affiliations he has had as an adult?

Which affiliations were those?

[texasdreamin]

Originally Posted by TexasReb

Don't get me wrong. I am no fan of GW, and I was never a supporter of the war in Iraq, so to speak.

What I was saying earlier, in essence, was that "taking care of our own" (and I agree with the basic sentiment) can also have very scary implications. That is to say, if it embraces a welfare state. The same waste will apply just as surely as will the $150 screwdrivers for the Pentagon.

I don't want us, as a nation, to buy into the notion the attitude that we need to, necessarily "take care of our own" anyway. Sure, I agree with the idea of a safety-net, absolutely. But I want a country like what our Founding Fathers wanted to establish...and the one which existed up until the last several decades. To wit, that "taking care of our own" meant NOT the government doing it, but that we, the people, as in individuals and kinfolk, local community and church...took care of our own...

I understand what you are saying, but we HAVE to take the chance and not be so fearful of change. The scare tactics have worked on many. You still have people ignorant to a lot of the TRUE facts and the things they are believing would be comical, if it wasn't so scary, knowing that people are so naive to fall for those scare tactics. I am a very cautious, careful person. Believe me, if I thought there was something to be scared about, I'd be out in front yapping about it...but this man does not scare me one bit. I think people are going to be surprised that he will actually do good for this country. Him in office does not necessarily mean that we will have a welfare state. He has great minds surrounding him. They will come together to do what is best for this country. Things change. They can make change...change in ideas, change in initial game plans. Tweak here, tweak there. I think this country will be much better off than it has been in a long time. Big time and long time republicans are jumping sides to vote for Obama. Everybody can't be wrong. It is only the easily fooled who are falling for the scare tactics, and that is a shame. Give the man a chance. I think he will do good for us, but if he didn't and was sooooo bad...there is always recall. If you love your country as much as I do and as much as I think you do...do your part for your country and help to get us back on our feet. McCain is an idiot. With him, we will not make it. Like I said in a previous post, I am not a Democrat or a Republican. I do research on the candidate and vote for the one who will do best for the country. God Bless America.

[TexasReb]

Originally Posted by texasdreamin

I understand what you are saying, but we HAVE to take the chance and not be so fearful of change.

I want someone to actually define "change" before I embrace it. It is one of those words like "progress". Or "tolerance". It can mean anything the user wants it to mean.

So, what I am saying/asking is...I want some specifics as to what is meant by "change".

The scare tactics have worked on many. You still have people ignorant to a lot of the TRUE facts and the things they are believing would be comical, if it wasn't so scary, knowing that people are so naive to fall for those scare tactics. I am a very cautious, careful person. Believe me, if I thought there was something to be scared about, I'd be out in front yapping about it...but this man does not scare me one bit. I think people are going to be surprised that he will actually do good for this country.

What "scare" tactics? Oh sure, politics is always full of BS and scare tactics...but what has been said of Obama that isn't true? My concern for the future of my country and all it has ever been and stood for is not paranoid...it is reality.

And what kind of "good" are you speaking of that he will do for this country? Specifics, please. Not "change".

Him in office does not necessarily mean that we will have a welfare state. He has great minds surrounding him. They will come together to do what is best for this country. Things change. They can make change...change in ideas, change in initial game plans.

Actually, we already have a welfare state. An Obama administration will only amplify and perpetate and increase it. And what great minds are you speaking of?

I am sorry, TexasDreamin...but red flags go up when I see posts like yours. That is, pretty words, devoid of specifics or substance. Change, game plans, change in ideas, etc, etc. Gulags and graveyards are full of such. No offence...

If you love your country as much as I do and as much as I think you do...do your part for your country and help to get us back on our feet. McCain is an idiot. With him, we will not make it. Like I said in a previous post, I am not a Democrat or a Republican. I do research on the candidate and vote for the one who will do best for the country. God Bless America.

I do love my country, which is why I will vote for neither. Meanwhile, TD, since you admonish me, can I return the favor and do the same? Help this country get back to our roots, is what I say. That is, what our Founding Fathers originally intended this nation to be. Truly free...

[lifertexan]

Originally Posted by TexasReb

Don't get me wrong. I am no fan of GW, and I was never a supporter of the war in Iraq, so to speak.

What I was saying earlier, in essence, was that "taking care of our own" (and I agree with the basic sentiment) can also have very scary implications. That is to say, if it embraces a welfare state. The same waste will apply just as surely as will the $150 screwdrivers for the Pentagon.

I don't want us, as a nation, to buy into the notion the attitude that we need to, necessarily "take care of our own" anyway. Sure, I agree with the idea of a safety-net, absolutely. But I want a country like what our Founding Fathers wanted to establish...and the one which existed up until the last several decades. To wit, that "taking care of our own" meant NOT the government doing it, but that we, the people, as in individuals and kinfolk, local community and church...took care of our own...

Two thoughts here.First,to compare society today to what the FF created is irrelevant.The world of the FF was a mostly adgricultural one in which those who didn't work the land worked in some capacity for the town,such as printer,barkeep,teacher,etc.Large urban areas full of millions of people doing work relatively unrelated to the local needs of the town who might end up without a way to earn a living because of issues that develop thousands of miles away from their town,and who couldn't go kill some food by hunting just outside the town area, would have never entered the minds of the FF.The world changes in 232 years.The way we deal with that world must change also.

Second,if society was "taking care of our own" as you wish,then the talk of the government helping them would be unnecesary,wouldn't it?The fact that a need exists indicates specifically that it isn't being taken care of.

[TexasHorseLady]

It seems to me that somehow we got into the habit of letting the government "take care of it for us", not realizing that we were, in effect, selling our birthright for a mess of pottage (selling freedom for getting to have someone taking care of everything for us so that we didn't have to). Not that long ago, we DID take care of the needs ourselves. Then someone talked us into thinking it would be a good idea to "outsource" our acts of charity towards our fellow man to the government, and when that happens a welfare society is pretty much predictable. In VERY limited areas, where due to no fault of their own someone CAN'T take care of themselves, and in spite of the private resources, someone is falling through the cracks, yes. Wholesale "don't let anyone ever have anything bad happen to them without fixing it for them", no. I expected that of the world when I was a child, when I was sure that no matter what I did, society wouldn't let me suffer the consequences. I got over than at about the age of 8.

I'm pretty sure that that freedom (which we pay for with the responsibility to take care of ourselves and those close to us) that the FF found important is just as important today, greater communication or not.

"Feed a man for a day, give him a fish. Feed a man for a lifetime, teach him to fish," is just as true of human nature today as it was 200 years, or 2000 years, ago.

[NOTAM]

I work in the medical field. there is not ONE person that I know between all the nurses, MD's, DO's, allied health care professionals of any kind, that are voting for Obama. not ONE. and that is not just my facility (military), but all of my colleagues at civilian facilities I have worked at.

[boywithstick]

My mom and I went to vote early this past Saturday for Obama. I also spoke with most of my aunts and they are all voting for Obama. Hispanics are going out in droves to vote for Obama. Let's Turn Texas Blue!!!

[TexasReb]

Originally Posted by lifertexan

Two thoughts here.First,to compare society today to what the FF created is irrelevant.The world of the FF was a mostly adgricultural one in which those who didn't work the land worked in some capacity for the town,such as printer,barkeep,teacher,etc.Large urban areas full of millions of people doing work relatively unrelated to the local needs of the town who might end up without a way to earn a living because of issues that develop thousands of miles away from their town,and who couldn't go kill some food by hunting just outside the town area, would have never entered the minds of the FF.The world changes in 232 years.The way we deal with that world must change also.

No, the comparrison is not irrelevant at all. The principles the Founding Fathers embraced when they wrote the Constitution, are timeless. Just as is the Declaration Of Indepdence. That is to say, they enshrined and etched out certain principles which are intrinsic to the existence of a free people.

Can you spell out which parts of the Bill of Rights are outdated? Which are those that are obsolete in light of current society?

Second,if society was "taking care of our own" as you wish,then the talk of the government helping them would be unnecesary,wouldn't it?The fact that a need exists indicates specifically that it isn't being taken care of.

Putting the horse ahead of the cart, I see. What you are doing is arguing from a typically socialistic point of view which maintains because things aren't perfect, then government must step in to solve what is not so much a "problem", but a basic fact of human existance.

Here is the fact: Before the so-called War on Poverty and the Great Society and the Welfare State, the rate of folks actually existing in poverty was decreasing. Here is a good article on the subject:

War on Poverty Revisited by Thomas Sowell -- Capitalism Magazine

As it may, what exactly is a "need"? I can define a "need" as by that I have run out of beer before closing time. You can classify it as that some people don't have as many goods as others and are therefore victims of an unfair system.

BUT...either one really comes down to why does this "need" exist in the first place? And what are the reasons for it. And what should be done to allieviate it? And exactly whose obligation is it to do so? For me, the "need" might be because I choose to stay drunk all day long (I don't, of course, I am just making a point). To you, it might mean that some people are the victims of a horrible system which denys their basic rights.

But other than those guaranteed under the Bill of Rights, there exist no "needs" which qualify as "rights" that need be "taken care of" by society at large!

You, as I am, are of course free to give your own time, money, property, etc, to others if you feel they are deserving of it. I am free to do the same. What, I am not free to do, is take yours, and give it away. Which is, once the cotton is chopped and picked, what you are actually advocating...

[Topaz]

Originally Posted by bellestaroftexas

I work in the medical field. there is not ONE person that I know between all the nurses, MD's, DO's, allied health care professionals of any kind, that are voting for Obama. not ONE. and that is not just my facility (military), but all of my colleagues at civilian facilities I have worked at.

I left the medical field to go into management consulting so a lot of my friends are still in the medical field. ALL of them are voting for Obama.