Being a RED state hurts Texas (living, military, dangerous)
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Unfortunately, while I'd really, really, really love for that to be true, it's an urban legend. We reserved the right to divide ourselves into five states (though why we'd want to do that, I can't imagine), and we retained most of our public lands (thus so many state parks rather than federal ones), but not the right to secede.
Unfortunately, while I'd really, really, really love for that to be true, it's an urban legend. We reserved the right to divide ourselves into five states (though why we'd want to do that, I can't imagine), and we retained most of our public lands (thus so many state parks rather than federal ones), but not the right to secede.
Please state your source and post links to your proof. I think your mistaken.
I saw that one. However, when I research things like this (or most anything, for that matter), I try to stay away from sites with an obvious agenda. (I do this especially when a clearly biased site tells me things that I want to hear, by the way, because I'm much more likely to swallow it without examination if it reinforces my prior beliefs.) That site very clearly has one (just as the PETA website has one, and I don't use their site for reference, either); thus, I have to pull out the old salt shaker when reading it.
However, using the reasoning on that site, Texas is not in the least bit special for having the right to secede - every state has (or does not have) the same right.
As I said, I'd love for it to be true, but the fact that we aren't forbidden from seceding (any more than any other state is, in writing) doesn't mean that we have that special right that we reserved when we joined the union.
Being a suburbanite from Obama-land (used to be Land of Lincoln), being a red-state is a huge plus in considering a move to Texas. According to what I heard on election night, America is still a center-right majority. Those who truly vote for the candidate first before party affiliation swung the vote Obama's way-just like they swung the election Reagan's way in 1980. Maybe instead of getting into a *issing contest on social issues, Congress will have the urgency of economic problems force them into a much greater bi-partisan approach to actually get things done, you know-govern. Well one can only hope......
Hey Muhnay! Ain't seen you around and about the place lately!
Anyway, I read the site you posted and it pretty well summed it up. That is, while it happens to be (much as I might wish otherwise) much touted that Texas is the only state with the specific right to secede?
In reality, such is only a myth. Of course, that such a "myth" is widely accepted testifies to our proud history as a state of extraordinary dimensions, don't you agree?
Anyway, with all that said, the rest of the article you posted is the main point, IMHO. A state does not NEED permission to secede. Such is predicated on the principle that government derives its powers from the consent of the governed, and is the right of any free people.
I hasten to add that I am NOT -- in the least -- advocating secession, only that it is intrinsic to the rights of a free people if they choose that option.
Sure, force may prevent it from happening. But, as Jefferson Davis once put in his memoirs: "A question settled by force will remain forever unsettled..."
I was more interested in the comment.. "To serve the country, not the President." on that site. To be more precise:
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No such provision is found in the current Texas Constitution[1](adopted in 1876) or the terms of annexation.[2] However, it does state (in Article 1, Section 1) that “Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States...” (note that it does not state “...subject to the President of the United States...” or “...subject to the Congress of the United States...” or “...subject to the rest of the United States...
I have not spent much time researching this, or looking at other contracts of the states.. maybe I should? Texas is one of the few States I think in the Union that could splinter off and survive on its own, would be even better if a few neighbor states came along.. but Texas can stand alone in need be. I don't think we will see it anytime soon... not in our life time anyways.
Speaking of Seceding I have seen many stories recently of Indian Tribes doing so... how does that work?
But yeah REB I have been around.. I was down in the Slums, eg; Politic threads for a bit. And I hang in the El Paso TX thread mainly.. I'm still looking to move.. I was in Galveston recently to look at a house I was in the process of renting there.. its pretty much gone now. The owner and I went and took a look. He wanted to give back my deposit, I told him not to worry about it.. he needed it more than I did.. he just had a baby and is moving to Nebraska.. But I am babbling now.. so I will end it here.
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I have not spent much time researching this, or looking at other contracts of the states.. maybe I should?
Hey again, Muhnay. I am far from certain on this one, but seems like I remember reading that New York and Kentucky actually did have provisions in their state constitutions which specifically said that they could resume the rights delegated to the federal government when they joined the Union. And of course, since Congress approved the said constitutions, then apparently they had no problem with it!
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Texas is one of the few States I think in the Union that could splinter off and survive on its own, would be even better if a few neighbor states came along.. but Texas can stand alone in need be. I don't think we will see it anytime soon... not in our life time anyways.
I think you are right on all of what you say on this. Even though, once again emphasizing I am not advocating secession, the subject itself has always facinated me both from an historical and constitutional point of view.
IF there should ever be -- god forbid -- some kind of secession movement among the states, I don't think it would be in the same form and fashion as in the way did the Southern states back in 1861. Instead, it would likely be the natural result of a total chaotic breakdown of the federal government. That is, thru collapse of our currency (via perhaps federal debt), or if some truly overt move was made to negate some part of the Bill of Rights. One that comes to mind in particular is if the Second Ammendment was repealed...
In that case? The most extreme scenarios? I don't think it would be the Old Southern Confederacy re-establishing so much as it would be the so-called "Red States" (i.e. Southern and plains Midwest states). Coming back to Texas, while I think you are right that Texas could probably stand alone, we would, IMHO, join our "natural allies" sooner or later. As you allude to when you speak of neighboring states....
The alternative would to be isolated in a Blue State nation...those in which we have almost nothing in common with.
Oh well, this is just all speculation and interesting to talk about. In no way am I advancing secession at this point in time.
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Speaking of Seceding I have seen many stories recently of Indian Tribes doing so... how does that work?
Hmmmm. I am unsure myself. Haven't really heard of it, in fact. Interesting though, and I hope you might fill me in if you explore more on the subject!
The Lakota Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the United States, leaders said Wednesday.
“We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us,” long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means told a handful of reporters and a delegation from the Bolivian embassy, gathered in a church in a run-down neighborhood of Washington for a news conference.
A delegation of Lakota leaders delivered a message to the State Department on Monday, announcing they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the United States, some of them more than 150 years old.
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I'm still looking to move.. I was in Galveston recently to look at a house I was in the process of renting there.. its pretty much gone now. The owner and I went and took a look. He wanted to give back my deposit, I told him not to worry about it.. he needed it more than I did.. he just had a baby and is moving to Nebraska.. But I am babbling now.. so I will end it here.
