Texas secede? (Eden, Sanford: law, legal, rich)

[kdogg817]

lol this is hillarious

[Jrsgun]

Originally Posted by kdogg817

lol this is hillarious

I can tell by your comment that you live in another world and not the reality.

[TexianPatriot]

It's about that time folks. What the Fed is doing (quantitative easing) is nothing more than printing money.

[Spade]

Hilarious.

Originally Posted by Jrsgun

Texas will not crawl back & even if many of the minorities & possibly some majorities do leave Texas it would be good riddens. Texas has 23,507,783 people in this state. The ones that do leave well it wouldn't hurt our feelings anyway. Our GDP is $1,065,891,000,000,our oil is 393,000,000 barrels and we still have plenty for 300 years,our natural gas is 5613039 MMcf. Texas provides the largest contingent of troops for the U.S. war machine. We lead the nation in the computer industry.We have the largest health,research,trauma & burn centers. We have our own ports & shipping lanes.We are totally self sufficient in beef,poultry,hogs & vegetables. Oh and by the way we also have NASA.
As far as allies most of the other states that want to secede and there are a quite a few would be our allies along with Great Britian considering Obama done insulted them anyway. I think we will do just fine thank you. Believe me when I say that there are a quite a lot of people out there that would agree to it and then some.

Thank you kindly & good night
God Be With You

Yeah. All you did was repeat what others have said previously in this thread before and all of that has been responded to. You fail to even mention WHY you have most of that? Thank the country that you are currently in, the United States of America. Is NASA not a United States government agency? They would shut that down quickly. Lead the nation in computer industry? Was California somehow hiromishmized or something? Did San Jose go through the reallly big one because I haven't heard of it. Last time I checked, Silicon Valley is still in California and most of the technology decisions and hq's are still there as well.

If you lose people, do you honestly believe Texas will stay at 1 trillion? A place of 23 million is alot better off than maybe a state of 13 million. Good Riddance? Figures. I kind of expected that type of retort. Get rid of the culture that many people help to define Texas (minorities is the one I'm talking about).



Texas is not going anywhere and the thought of it is delusional at best. Like I said, if Texas leaves, you'll be crawling back in 20-30 years tops. I do love the independent nature of Texas. But get real. You think to highly of yourselves.

[Jrsgun]

That is why Texas will Survive while you stay with your negative ideas we will keep going. I pray for your survivel Spade. Texans do not give up without a good fight plus we think things thru & plan ahead.

[Jrsgun]

Have you ever looked at a map of the world? Look at Texas with me just for a second. That picture, with the Panhandle and the Gulf Coast, and the Red River and the Rio Grande is as much a part of you as anything ever will be. As soon as anyone anywhere in the world looks at it they know what it is. It's Texas.
Pick any kid off the street in Japan and draw him a picture of Texas in the dirt and he'll know what it is. What happens if I show you a picture of any other state? You might get it maybe after a second or two, but who else would? And even if you do, does it ever stir any feelings in you? In every man, woman and child on this planet, there is a person who wishes just once he could be a real live Texan and get up on a horse or ride off in a pickup. There is a little bit of Texas in everyone. Texas is the Alamo... Texas is 183 men standing in a church, facing thousands of Mexican nationals, fighting for freedom, who had the chance to walk out and save themselves, but stayed instead to fight and die for the cause of free. We send our kids to schools named William B. Travis and James Bowie and Davy Crockett, and do you know why? Because those men saw a line in the sand and they decided to cross it and be heroes. John Wayne paid to do the movie himself. That is the Spirit of Texas. Texas is Sam Houston capturing Antonio Lopez de Santa Ana at San Jacinto.
Texas is huge forests of Piney Woods like the Davy Crockett and Sam
Houston National Forests. Texas is breathtaking mountains in the Big Bend.Texas is the unparalleled beauty of bluebonnet fields in the Texas Hill Country.Texas is floating the rivers of the Hill Country on a hot summer day.
Texas is the beautiful, warm beaches of the Gulf Coast of South TexasTexas is beaches you can drive on and have many memorable bon-fires with close friends.Texas is that warm feeling you get when someone asks where you're from. is the shiny skyscrapers in Houston and Dallas.
Texas is world record bass from places like Lake Fork.
Texas is Mexican foods like nowhere else, not even Mexico.




Texas is chicken fried steak and world famous Bar-B-Que.Texas is the Fort Worth Stockyards, Bass Hall, the Ballpark in Arlington, the Cotton Bowl in Dallas, Texas Stadium in Irving, Rice Stadium, Minute Maid Park, the Astrodome (now the Reliant Stadium) ]Houston Livestock Show & Rodeo, the Alamodome in San Antonio. Darrell K. Royal Memorial Stadium in Austin.Texas is larger-than-life legends like Michael DeBakey, Ann Richards, Denton Cooley, Willie Nelson, Buddy Holly, Gene Autry, Audie Murphy, Tommy Lee Jones, Waylon Jennings, Farrah Fawcet, Janis Joplin, Sandra Bullock, Kris Kristofferson, Tom Landry, Eva Longoria, Darrell Royal, ZZ Top, Eric Dickerson, Earl Campbell, Nolan Ryan, Sam Rayburn, Howard Hughes, George H. W. Bush, Lyndon B. Johnson, and let's not forget GEORGE STRAIT- PANTERA, the Big Bopper, Tex Ritter, George Jones, Clay Walker, Mark Chestnut, to name ONLY a few.Texas is great companies like Dell Computer, Texas Instruments, EDS and Compaq, Whataburger, Southwest Airlines, Bell Helicopter and Lockheed Martin Aerospace, Home of the F-16 Jet Fighter and the JSF Fighter, Va Texas is NASA. Texas is huge herds of cattle, beautiful horses and miles of crops.Texas is home to the world famous King Ranch..Texas is home to the most amazing sunsets of gold over an empty field. Texas is hundreds of deer running around neighborhoods and fields. Texas is skies blackened with doves and fields full of deer.
Texas is a place where towns and cities shut down to watch the local high school football game on Friday nights and for the night at the Old San Antonio River Parade.
To drive across Texas is to drive 1/3 the way across the United States Texas is ocean beaches, deserts, lakes and rivers, mountains and prairies, and modern cities. if it isn't already in Texas, you probably don't need it. No one does anything bigger or better than it's done in Texas By federal law, Texas is the only state in the U.S. That can fly its flag at the same height as the U..S. Flag. Think about that for a second. You fly the Stars and Stripes at 20 feet in Maryland , California , or Maine , and your state flag, whatever it is, goes at 17 feet. You fly the Stars and Stripes in front of Klein Oak High or anyplace else at 20 feet, the Lone Star flies at the same height - 20 feet. Do you know why? Because it is the only state that was a Republic before it became a state. Also, being a Texan is as high as being an American down here. Our capitol is the only one in the country that is taller than the capitol building in Washington , D.C. And we can divide our state into five states at any time if we wanted to!We can become a republic again at any time the voters of Texas choose, and we included these things as part of the deal when we came on.That's the best part, right there.Texas even has its own power grid!! And don't even lie to yourself.... Did I mention Live music capitol of the world? GOD BLESS TEXAS !

God Bless This Texan. These words came from a True Texan

[Spade]

Originally Posted by Jrsgun

That is why Texas will Survive while you stay with your negative ideas we will keep going. I pray for your survivel Spade. Texans do not give up without a good fight plus we think things thru & plan ahead.

I have the Lord on my side. So I will survive with or without Texas. But that is besides the point and it has nothing to do with the topic.

[Spade]

As far as the flag thing about Texas. That is a myth.

(f) When flags of States, cities, or localities, or pennants of societies are flown on the same halyard with the flag of the United States, the latter should always be at the peak. When the flags are flown from adjacent staffs, the flag of the United States should be hoisted first and lowered last. No such flag or pennant may be placed above the flag of the United States or to the United States flag’s right.

EVERY state can fly it's flag equal to the United States flag if they are on adjacent poles of equal height. Also, Texas wasn't the only republic to enter the United States. Somebody really need to take some time away from Texas. I love the state of Texas and hope to return there someday to live. But come on.

[Cathy4017]

Originally Posted by TexasReb

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I don't give a good flying damn about what color the president is. What I DO give a damn about is just how devoted the Chief Executive is to the original intent of the Constituion of the United States of America. That is, an absolute dedication to upholding the principles of the Bill of Rights.

I honestly feel safe in saying that if our Founding Fathers were alive today, they would be appalled. And they were the original secessionists...

AMEN to that, TR......there has not been a president even remotely concerned with the Constitution since Ronald Reagan.

The Constitution was badly ignored/trampled under the last administration...and I fear for the future of our country under the present adminstration. HO has stated publicly that he does not like the limits imposed by the Constitution, and is so marxist/socialist that he cannot understand the wisdom of our Founding Fathers in setting these limits.

[CmonFolks!]

These blogs can get incindiary pretty quickly. Look folks, the truth is out there in the form of legal and legislative records right in your backyard!!! Check out official website of the Texas legislature, supreme court decisions, acts of congress, or go to a library and don't quote every opinionated entry in your wikis and blogs. Here is a smidgen of what you will find, and I'll try to minimize on opinion as much as possible:
Texas does not have the right to secede, any more than any other state does. Which is not to say that Texas, or any other state, can't secede if it has a mind to; after all, 11 states did back in 1861. Many modern Texans have the vague idea - as did most secessionists - that because Texas entered as a declared former republic, it retained the right to leave the Union if it saw fit. However, NO such clause appears in the congressional act authorizing Texas to join the Union. Because it was once independent, because it at one time did secede frmo the Union, and because its mindset has reminents of 19th century sentiments, Texas has always clung to the idea of a guaranteed right of secession as a mark of its perceived specialness and as a source of reassurance in case all else fails.
One privelege Texas does reserve, and a condition that appears in the resolution approving its statehood, is the option to subdivide itself into as many as four states (a total of five). However, Texas would be more likely to leave the Union again than to fragment its identity and its land. There still exists a number people in Texas who are loud in voice that carry way too heavy a chip on their shoulder for them to bear or substantiate its weight in fact.
On the Annexation of Texas:
Texans are justly proud of living in a state that was once an independant republic (as declared by US citizens at the time) and that entered the Union by treaty, not by act of Congress. Surprise! Texas did *not* enter the Union by treaty. Though at the time of its admission the two countries were negotiating a treaty of annexation, President John Tyler, as one of his last acts in office, offered statehood under the terms drawn up by the House of Representatives. As a result, Texas got a better deal than it would have under the treaty. For example, it became a state immediately, without having to pass through a probationary period as a mere territory.
The terms of the congressional bill included a requirement that Texas cede to the US all forts, barracks, navy yards, and other property pertaining to the public defense, but it also allowed Texas to keep its public lands, a generous condition rarely found in annexation treaties. However, in exchange for that concession, Texas also had to maintain responsibility for its own public debt.
So this gives us...
True: Texas was an independent country. My opinion: Declared by US citizens who, most likely, sought land of there own - not overcome with the overwhelming pride that a plat of land commands as is pandered in lore.
False: Texas joined the US by treaty (it was actually an act of Congress, this is not opinion. please look it up if you are not affraid of getting your pride hurt).
False: Texas has the right to leave the Union. It has the same right as any other state - legally, legislatively, and as any "international laws" may establish without a doubt.
True: Texas has the right to split into as many as 5 states.

So, without merely pandering the wivestales and myths about my home state as we tend to do so often, knock yourselves out with proving the world wrong!!!