Texas secede? (Liberty, Center, West: stats, estate, exodus)

[Ct_bow]

Opening lines to the Declaration of Independence:


"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security"



The federal government is slowly becoming the government described in the paragraphs above. It has been for decades but the people are just starting to get wise to it. I dont believe we have gotten to that point yet but we are moving faster and getting closer.

My question is a serious one, what do we do if the federal government becomes the government described in the Declaration of Independence? What happens when the Tea party's and the ballot box is ineffective? Really, what do 'we the people' do if the government becomes the usurper? Is it our "right and our duty to throw off such government" or did that only apply to another time and different people.

I am in no way proposing rebellion or secession, but I think this government is very close to becoming what is decribed above. Then what?

[Dopo]

Originally Posted by Ct_bow

what do 'we the people' do if the government becomes the usurper? Is it our "right and our duty to throw off such government" or did that only apply to another time and different people.

"we the people" elected President Barack Obama 6 months ago with more than twice as many electoral college votes as his rival. (FYI, in the US, presidents are elected by winning the most electoral college votes, ask Bush about that)

I hate to tell you this.... but that's called democracy

[D-Towner]

Originally Posted by Dopo

"we the people" elected President Barack Obama 6 months ago with more than twice as many electoral college votes as his rival. (FYI, in the US, presidents are elected by winning the most electoral college votes, ask Bush about that)

I hate to tell you this.... but that's called democracy

Okay. What's your point?

[Spade]

Originally Posted by Jrsgun

You can stop lying to yourself Spade 70% of Texans is something you made up, just like every Socialist such as you, always does, because you can not stand the fact that we are right and you are wrong. Evidently if you voted for Barack Hussein Obama you voted against God, Country & the U.S Constitution. It is all about our country being taken over by Socialist who want to destroy this country. We know what the cons are, but what you do not realize is that there is more than Texas wanting to secede. You can talk all your trash and that is what it is because you are blind to any truth that comes your way. But that is the Socialist mind set. You do not care about this country or you would see that Barack Hussein Obama is destroying this country. You are the traitors and the American haters when you can support Barack Hussein Obama who is trying to tear apart the U.S. Constitution.

Roll Up Your Sleeves & Get Ready For Battle
This Texan Is Here To Stay
God Bless Texas & The Military

Oh so because I voted for Obama I voted against God? That is laughable at best. BTW, I was wrong at 70%. It was actually 75%.
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How was church yesterday at the Texas equivalent of Woodsboro Baptist Church? LOL@ me being a traitor when you are the one that wants to break it up.

[Spade]

Originally Posted by TexanByBirth

The only question that I have on the 70% poll that was taken a while back is where were the people that were polled. Were they in Dallas, San Antonio, Austin, Houston? They are becoming largely liberal in the cities and that doesn't reflect Texas as a whole. I'm just asking, because I really don't know where the majority of the poll took place. I looked, but couldn't find anything.

The urban community is also becoming the majority of Texas considering Texas is urbanizing much faster and becoming more dominate. But what makes you think what small town Texas is what represents Texas as a whole? Are we to believe that all Texans have a one track mind that we are all conservative? Sorry to tell you this but Texas is not. It's conservative but not everyone of the 25 million aren't.

There are so many factors that come into play with a decision like this that I can't address them all. Those are the first that come to mind though: punishment for seceding (not including war), trade, and allies.

But the thing is that Texas is one of the most successful states because of the country it is in. All those relocated businesses would relocate right away. Fort Hood, Fort Bliss, and more would close right away. NASA, which is something Texans love to hold onto, would be closed immediately. The only industry that Texas would have would be oil. Good luck with that.

Oh, one other thing. You stated, "True Americans would never want to secede from the nation." I think that True Americans would stand up for themselves if our government became so overbearing that we lost all the rights and priviledges set up for us by our Founding Father's ideals. True Americans fight for the freedom of others, as well as, their own freedom. If the last thing anyone could do was to secede from the Union, do you not think that we would do it to preserve our right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

Yes I agree with you here. But why cry about it? Sorry to say but the people crying about seceding sound like those whiny democrats in 2004 when people made the maps of Jesusland/United States of Canada crap. So it goes both ways. I'm neither a democrat nor a republican btw. I am very moderate slightly leaning towards the left as are most Black-Americans. I do however believe in state rights and you should pursue them. But to insult people just because they have different beliefs as the next person such as a person that voted for Obama is voting against God is laughable, petty, and pretty much ignorant at best.

[Jrsgun]

You just proved again that all you Socialist can come back with is the race card or some other lies to fight back with because you can not afford to use the real facts because it goes against what you are trying to shove down our throats. Well bring it on Dopo.
Do not forget that this country first seceded from the British when we fought for our freedoms against the British.
A true American knows that freedom is not free unless you fight for it.

Roll Up Your Sleeves,Let The Battle Begin
God Bless Texas & The Military

[Jrsgun]

I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat, I am a Constitutionalist and our forefathers built this land for God,Country and The U.S. Constitution. When you start doing what Barack Hussein Obama is proceeding to do to this country, you are going against God because our Freedoms & Liberties are God given rights, as well as protecting our loved ones. You can turn it anyway you want to but it still turns into Tyranny. If you are for Barack Hussein Obama then you are against Freedom,Liberty & The Right To Protect Ourselves and if you say your are not against those rights then why are you still defending Barack Hussein Obama because he is against allthree of them. He has already started on a censorship doctrine and if that passes then it will be Tyranny at its best.

Roll Up Your Sleeves & Get Ready For Battle
This Texan Never Gives Up
God Bless Texas & The Military.

[Jrsgun]

Spade it seems that your are another confused person who calls himself a Black-American. When you use that hyphen you are a Divided American. If you were a True American there would be no need to say you are a Black American. Instead you would be calling yourself an American.

Roll Up Your Sleeves,Let The Battle Begin
God Bless Texas & The Military

[Dopo]

Originally Posted by Jrsgun

I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat, I am a Constitutionalist and our forefathers built this land for God,Country and The U.S. Constitution.

What a coincidence, you left out "democracy"

[Spade]

^^ good point Dopo.

Originally Posted by Jrsgun

Spade it seems that your are another confused person who calls himself a Black-American. When you use that hyphen you are a Divided American. If you were a True American there would be no need to say you are a Black American. Instead you would be calling yourself an American.

Roll Up Your Sleeves,Let The Battle Begin
God Bless Texas & The Military

I am not confused. I know what I am. I am a Black-American. Yes, I am proud to be an American. I was proud to be an American when Bush was president and I was proud to be an American now that Obama is the president. I wish we can say the same for yourself. But the hyphenated name will stay because our cultures are different. We do different things, live different ways, and that will not change. This is what makes up the beauty of this country.