Texas secede? (Liberty, Commerce, Post: section 8, crimes, mortgages)

[perticusrex]

Seriously why is this person allowed to keep basically SPAMMING the thread?????? He/she cant even copy and paste correctly.

[D-Towner]

Originally Posted by perticusrex

Seriously why is this person allowed to keep basically SPAMMING the thread?????? He/she cant even copy and paste correctly.

People keep on typing about how secession is bad and that person likes to keep them going with his stuff about how secession is good. I think that person is joking, but I could be wrong.

[Spade]

Originally Posted by Jrsgun

Spade you are still a divided American no matter how you explain it.

LOL. Keep saying that to yourself and you'll believe it.

[Dopo]

Originally Posted by Jrsgun

Spade you are still a divided American no matter how you explain it.

Unless your family is full of inbreds... you are a divided American, too.

[CmonFolks!]

As Americans we need to remember that we live in a free country comparatively in this world, and not under a regime, dictatorship, elitist movement, or tyrannical oppressor as some of us are led to believe by the personally malcontent few around us. Those who are ultimately promoting secession as an "answer" to their own private disdain and irresponsibility as American citizens, are willing to reject all the wisdom we have gained through recorded time, notwithstanding this country’s evolution. The basic model of civilization where humans collect and organize into orders such as families, alliances, and empires (that is, empires that perpetuate themselves in the form of a nation, country or union) is (and has been) the basis of order for thousands of years. Whether speaking in context of Egyptian dynasties, the Greek states, the Roman empire, United States, or the European Union, you will see these are all fundamental examples of how humans organize to perpetuate survival. American state secession seeks to break an elemental standard by which we live, and is a reason why it is considered by an overwhelming majority in this country to be "backwards".

If you promote secession in America, you are either promoting the same imperious ideals that spawned the current American empire that you despise, or you are unaware of the hypocrisy of your mindset. As an American, your state is void of civil conflict, you most likely lead a decent middle class lifestyle, you benefit from "free" enterprise and trade with other states and countries, and you do not have to live perpetually in fear of drug cartels, missile attacks, etc.

Most likely, you are promoting secession out of antiquated beliefs based on pride, populism, or ambivalence towards others. Most likely, you are not promoting secession out of any actual harm or oppression against you as a citizen by the American government. If you are Rick Perry, you hype up secession to win an election, not for the greater welfare of your state citizens.

The fact is we are all independent and free to roam around a free country. Don't mistake your isolationistic views as some greater wisdom.

[Jrsgun]

perticusrex,Spade,Dopo & CmonFolks, I am willing to fight & die for what is left of America, or as we call it the USSA, & Texas as well, since Barack Hussein Obama & His Disciples or trying to tear apart our Constitution, which our forefathers fought & died for to keep this country free. Are you willing to fight & die for your Annointed One,Barack Hussein Obama & The United Socialist States of America if the need arises. I am willing to fight to keep this Country & Texas Free for my family & my grandchildren.
There is no humor when you see America's freedoms & liberties ,along with Texas, get torn apart more and more each day. If secession is what it takes to the keep fire of freedom burning so be it. Look around and ask and you will be surprised how many True Americans & True Texans feel the same. Like I keep saying Texas is not alone on seceding,other States are as well.

ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES,LET THE BATTLE BEGIN
GOD BLESS TEXAS & THE MILITARY

[Jrsgun]

How would Texas—and Texans—benefit from secession? A: In many ways. Over the past century-and-a-half the United States government has awarded itself ever more power (but not the lawful authority) to meddle with the lives, liberty, and property of the People of Texas (as well as those of the other States).
Sapping Texans' wealth into a myriad of bureaucratic, socialist schemes both in the U.S. and abroad, the bipartisan despots in Washington persist in expanding the federal debt and budget deficits every year. Texans would indeed gain much by reclaiming control of their State, their property, their liberty, and their very lives, by refusing to participate further in the fraud perpetrated by the Washington politicians and bureaucrats.
By restoring Texas to an independent republic, Texans would truly reclaim a treasure for themselves and their progeny.

[Jrsgun]

Secession Myths

1. The entire question of secession was settled during the Civil War.
Myth Busted - the application of Federal military might to invade, occupy and forcibly repatriate the Southern states in no way answered the legal question of the legality of secession. In point of fact it can rightly be argued that the Federal government exceeded its delegated powers by using force against a the states.

2. Secession is the same as revolution and revolutions always mean bloodshed.
Myth Busted - A revolution is a change in government, secession is merely a separation of governments, a divorce or a disillusion of a compact.

3. No state have ever seceded anywhere in the world.
Myth Busted - recent examples would include, Montenegro, Lithuania, Estonia, All of the former Soviet Republics, and even Scotland regained some of her sovereignty in 1999 (something she lost in 1805)

4. If one or more of the various states secedes it will likely end up no better than a third world country, isolated, alone and poor.
Myth Busted - Not true, a free Alaska would be Saudi Arabia with snow, California would be the world's 7th largest economy. Other states would of their own choosing form trade alliances and various confederations or even federal unions. The point is these would be on their terms, governemnt of and by the people.

5. The United States was born on the 4th of July 1776, a state has no right to leave.
Myth Busted - The United States was not born in 1776, that was thirteen free and independent colonies shedding the yoke of imperialism. The United States was born with the ratification of the Constitution in 1788, its parents being the free and independent states.

6. If a state were to leave the Union it would mean war, the Federal government would never allow it.
Myth Busted - This myth plays right into the very notion of tyranny and governmental control. If the Federal government were to invade a state seeking to establish self-determination using the very same justification found in the Declaration of Independence would that act in and of itself not be enough to convict the Federal government of tyranny? Governments are supposed to do what the people allow, not the other way around.

7. Secession is treason, secessionist are traitors.
Myth Busted - The love of one's state is not treason, loyalty to one's home is not treason. The belief in government of and by the people is not treason. The belief in the 10th Amendment to the Constitution reserving all rights not specifically delegated to the Federal government to the States and People is not treason. Tyranny, oppression and perversion and usurpation of the Constitution is treasonous.

[TexanByBirth]

Originally Posted by dopo

unless your family is full of inbreds... You are a divided american, too.

:d

[TexanByBirth]

Originally Posted by Jrsgun

perticusrex,Spade,Dopo & CmonFolks, I am willing to fight & die for what is left of America, or as we call it the USSA, & Texas as well, since Barack Hussein Obama & His Disciples or trying to tear apart our Constitution, which our forefathers fought & died for to keep this country free. Are you willing to fight & die for your Annointed One,Barack Hussein Obama & The United Socialist States of America if the need arises. I am willing to fight to keep this Country & Texas Free for my family & my grandchildren.
There is no humor when you see America's freedoms & liberties ,along with Texas, get torn apart more and more each day. If secession is what it takes to the keep fire of freedom burning so be it. Look around and ask and you will be surprised how many True Americans & True Texans feel the same. Like I keep saying Texas is not alone on seceding,other States are as well.

ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES,LET THE BATTLE BEGIN
GOD BLESS TEXAS & THE MILITARY

Secession is a pretty severe idea. I would not advocate secession unless the federal government used actual force upon the people of the United States. We are a nation that votes its leaders into office. BO was voted into office, whether people think it was legal or not. Here's the best part, he only has 4 years until the next election. If the people of the United States believe he is not worth another 4 years they will vote him out. On the same note, if we feel congress is not up to par, we start voting next year for that.

So to reiterate, if the federal government decides to use force to control the people of the United States, I would be for secession. That would be the only way.