Texas secede? (Houston, Dallas, Roma: insurance, loans, homes)

[ulsterscot]

Originally Posted by Spade

Yeah and if you think those states see eye to eye with Texas with most of everything, you are delusional. Besides, the peoples of Dallas, Houston, Austin, and San Antonio will NOT go for that seeing as how they are becoming as liberal as it's Western and Midwestern peers.

That's why I said EASTERN Washington and Oregon. Those states are only liberal because they are dominated by Portland and Seattle. The rest of both states are very conservative.

[Lucidus]

Originally Posted by momojojo

Do any of you Texans out there think that one day TX would secede from the Union? Is that just a lot of hoo hah from a small group, or could it be a reality?

You mean secede again? We have done it three times before already. From Spain, from Mexico, and from the U.S. I think right now it is just a lot of hoo hah, but things can change quickly. When I was a young boy I would have never dreamed that the Soviet Union would vanish, but one day it did. No political entity can last forever, it doesn't hurt anything to start thinking about the future could be. I am confident that one day Texas will take its proper place among the family of nations.

[Backyard]

Originally Posted by ahuimanu

Good post.

I don't understand why Texas would feel like it has been on the short-end of the stick though.......Can you give some examples of how Texas was slighted during this time? Or before?

Texans pay more to the Federal government in taxes than they receive back in services and have for years. It's not as bad as some states, like Vermont for example, but still we pay out more than we get back.

[PatriotFound]

A message to fellow Texans:
Texas owes the United States for just about everything. Ever since American emigres helped to foment a rebellion against the Mexican government of General Antonio Lopez de Santa Ana, other American citizens have regularly come to the aid of Texas without so much as a demand for a quid pro quo. During this 1836 rebellion, American volunteers, many from Tennessee (including former US Congressman Davy Crockett) went to Texas to aid the Texian rebels with little more than the expectation that they would get to fight a little bit. (note: Sam Houston and Stephen F. Austin are both from Virginia!) Their efforts helped to create the Republic of Texas, not that they get much of the credit compared to 'real' Texans. Then, after Texans decided that being their own nation wasn't up to their liking, the United States Congress voted to allow Texas to join the Union in 1845 - just in time for the nation to get caught up in a border dispute with Mexico (that was instigated by Texan encroachment of Mexican territory) to ensure that US forces would be in place to block any attempt by Santa Ana to reclaim Texas during the transition from a US citizen-declared sovereign nation to a state. And just how did Texas thank the US government for this rescue? By joining the Confederacy in The Rebellion of 1861!

My daughter moved elsewhere to get away from the very things that invoke stereotypes about Texans. Stereotypes are not altogether untrue as we all know and I now understand by going outside of my state. Lived in Dallas, Houston and Victoria. Seeing what the rest of the world sees makes me realize how isolated we make ourselves sometimes and that is limiting and creates social disadvantage to us as Texas residents. It is true that living in such an abyssal state may help us lose perspective of our country and the world. We are ENTIRELY dependent on external factors if you aren't aware already - even in energy, our state's greatest stake.

[TX_AGGIE13]

Originally Posted by PatriotFound

A message to fellow Texans:
Texas owes the United States for just about everything. Ever since American emigres helped to foment a rebellion against the Mexican government of General Antonio Lopez de Santa Ana, other American citizens have regularly come to the aid of Texas without so much as a demand for a quid pro quo. During this 1836 rebellion, American volunteers, many from Tennessee (including former US Congressman Davy Crockett) went to Texas to aid the Texian rebels with little more than the expectation that they would get to fight a little bit. (note: Sam Houston and Stephen F. Austin are both from Virginia!) Their efforts helped to create the Republic of Texas, not that they get much of the credit compared to 'real' Texans. Then, after Texans decided that being their own nation wasn't up to their liking, the United States Congress voted to allow Texas to join the Union in 1845 - just in time for the nation to get caught up in a border dispute with Mexico (that was instigated by Texan encroachment of Mexican territory) to ensure that US forces would be in place to block any attempt by Santa Ana to reclaim Texas during the transition from a US citizen-declared sovereign nation to a state. And just how did Texas thank the US government for this rescue? By joining the Confederacy in The Rebellion of 1861!

My daughter moved elsewhere to get away from the very things that invoke stereotypes about Texans. Stereotypes are not altogether untrue as we all know and I now understand by going outside of my state. Lived in Dallas, Houston and Victoria. Seeing what the rest of the world sees makes me realize how isolated we make ourselves sometimes and that is limiting and creates social disadvantage to us as Texas residents. It is true that living in such an abyssal state may help us lose perspective of our country and the world. We are ENTIRELY dependent on external factors if you aren't aware already - even in energy, our state's greatest stake.

LOL...well, im not for Texas seceding, but your a little out there my friend. First you downplay Texas' role in the war because of it's choice to fight on the side of the Confederate Army??? I'd like you to know that many, if not the majority are still very proud of just that fact! Also you are claiming that those individuals who came from other States to Texas to fight Gen. Santa Ana did so as a favor to Texas rather than because they believed in Texas' sovereignty, and because they chose to live out their lives as TEXANS as well. I realize some people are born in other states and chose on their own to move to Texas, but EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE SOLDIERS WERE TEXANS, and they would slap you to the ground if you said otherwise...lol. Texas does not OWE anyone anything.

I agree with you on one, and only one thing and that is that Texas should find pride in it's position with the US, but if anyone CURRENTLY owes anyone it's exactly the opposite of what you popped off. Texas is getting the bumb end of the deal with all of the non existant immigration laws, and people currently lining up to get in from every other part of the US to find their easy living, and golden egg. I welcome anyone who is in a dire situation elsewhere, but if you come around me talkin' stupid like the statement above I wish you no luck here.

Btw...Davy Crockett left Tennessee for Texas on his own will as all of the rest of those soldiers did. Maybe you forgot this quote spoken by Davy Crockett himself..."Since you have chosen to elect a man with a timber toe to succeed me, you may all go to hell and I will go to Texas.", and im mighty proud to tell you that that sounds 100% like a TRUE TEXAN to me, not someone meandering on over to lay claim to Tennessee heritage, and unwillingly help out.

Btw...Santa Ana never could take Texas from Texas.....why on earth would him comming back lead to anything more than another good ole' Texan tail whippin' for Mexico??...lol...that did tickle me though...I like a good joke every once in a while.

[TexasReb]

Originally Posted by PatriotFound

Then, after Texans decided that being their own nation wasn't up to their liking, the United States Congress voted to allow Texas to join the Union in 1845 -

Will reply to your other loaded thesis points later, but as to this one? I am sure you are aware that many of the northeastern states actually threatened "secession" over the admission of Texas into the Union...?

And that the admission of Texas into the Union (i.e. the voluntary compact known as the Constitution of the United States) was not a matter of the Republic of Texas "begging" (as you seem to imply)...but a matter of mutual agreement between two soveriengn nations. Each realizing both could benefit. Same as was the original agreement between the original Colonies. Ain't nobody did anybody any great big favors in the sense of charity....

[TexasReb]

Originally Posted by PatriotFound

And just how did Texas thank the US government for this rescue? By joining the Confederacy in The Rebellion of 1861!

What in the world are you talking about? You proceed from premises that make no sense at all. That is, that the State of Texas was somehow ingrateful to an entity which was itself totally united and solid and all overarching.

In reality? It was just Southern states against Northern states. Simple as that. BOTH were commited, as they saw it, to the ideals of the original Constitution and the "United States". Only by default did the latter keep the title itself.

Anyway, what do you mean by that somehow Texans defaulted on a promisary note (figuratively speaking)?
sary note?

[daltex (dallas)]

If you knew your history Texas was a country before it was a state it was called The Republic Of Texas. The country lasted for 9 years. Over the years the country went into debt so the president decided to ask if they could join the United States. When Texas became a state it was twice the size of what it is today.To pay of the 10 million dollar dept they sold some of the land to the United States the land makes up present-day states New Mexico, Oklahoma, Kansas, Colorado, and Wyoming.


before

after

currency
Texas change note, 1838


Texas redback currency, 1839

[SaladoSam]

Couple of decades ago, one of the airlines used that 1836 map in an ad for flights to Denver...

'Ski Texas'

[TXSooner]

Originally Posted by PatriotFound

A message to fellow Texans:
Texas owes the United States for just about everything. Ever since American emigres helped to foment a rebellion against the Mexican government of General Antonio Lopez de Santa Ana, other American citizens have regularly come to the aid of Texas without so much as a demand for a quid pro quo. During this 1836 rebellion, American volunteers, many from Tennessee (including former US Congressman Davy Crockett) went to Texas to aid the Texian rebels with little more than the expectation that they would get to fight a little bit. (note: Sam Houston and Stephen F. Austin are both from Virginia!) Their efforts helped to create the Republic of Texas, not that they get much of the credit compared to 'real' Texans. Then, after Texans decided that being their own nation wasn't up to their liking, the United States Congress voted to allow Texas to join the Union in 1845 - just in time for the nation to get caught up in a border dispute with Mexico (that was instigated by Texan encroachment of Mexican territory) to ensure that US forces would be in place to block any attempt by Santa Ana to reclaim Texas during the transition from a US citizen-declared sovereign nation to a state. And just how did Texas thank the US government for this rescue? By joining the Confederacy in The Rebellion of 1861!

My daughter moved elsewhere to get away from the very things that invoke stereotypes about Texans. Stereotypes are not altogether untrue as we all know and I now understand by going outside of my state. Lived in Dallas, Houston and Victoria. Seeing what the rest of the world sees makes me realize how isolated we make ourselves sometimes and that is limiting and creates social disadvantage to us as Texas residents. It is true that living in such an abyssal state may help us lose perspective of our country and the world. We are ENTIRELY dependent on external factors if you aren't aware already - even in energy, our state's greatest stake.

These "other American citizens coming to the Aid of Texas without so much as a demand for a quid pro quo and that they had little more than the expectation that they would get to fight a little bit" is completely without merit.
Sam Houston came to Texas and became a TEXAN, not just another american giving to TX. He came in 1832 and the TX REVOLUTION occurred in 1836. He came to Texas just like other Texans before the TX Revolution because Mexico promised FREE LAND to anyone who would cultivate the land and convert to Catholicism. He was a TX rebel, not one who came to the aid of the TX rebellion. Likewise, Steven F. Austin came in 1821, not to aid in the TX rebellion, but to settle.
Finally, Davy Crockett came to TX in return for land. Read his history in Wikipedia. Each person who enlisted was promised 4,600 acres of land as payment.
All three of these heroes are 'real' Texans.
Your other observations are completely without historical merit. TX joined the union so that they could get relief from their debt, and in return gave up claims to land. It was mutually beneficial.
Texans did not encroach what you say was Mexican territory when TX was admitted to the union. It was FEDERAL forces. General Zachary Taylor moved his forces south of the Nueces River -- a disputed territory, and engaged Mexican troops after Mexico attacked first. TX did not bring the USA kicking and screaming into their admittance to the union.
It is sad that you have to resort to revisionist history to make your point that TX is an "abysmal state."