Texas secede? (Kilgore, Spade: short sale, job market, buyer)

[Jrsgun]

I am neither a Republican,Socialist,or a Liberal. I am a Constitutionalist and believe we need to get back to God. Our freedoms, liberty and our way of life are being threatened at this time. This Country was built off of the Declaration of Independence,the U.S. Constitution & God. Sometimes you have to stand up & fight for those rights.

[Jrsgun]

I love my country but I love my Texas more.

[bluescreen73]

Originally Posted by Jrsgun

I am neither a Republican,Socialist,or a Liberal. I am a Constitutionalist and believe we need to get back to God. Our freedoms, liberty and our way of life are being threatened at this time. This Country was built off of the Declaration of Independence,the U.S. Constitution & God. Sometimes you have to stand up & fight for those rights.

How can you be a constitutionalist AND threaten secession? You and I may not agree politically but we both have the ability to change this country, this state, our counties, and the cities we live in, and it can all be done without firing a shot. If you want change, work through the democratic process FOR change.

[Jrsgun]

You,sir I forgive you for what you say due to the fact that you do not know me and as far as my military brothers & sisters they do not like what is happening to this country as well.When our Constitution is getting stepped on & spat on daily & God is being taken away it is time you wake up!

[bluescreen73]

Originally Posted by Jrsgun

You,sir I forgive you for what you say due to the fact that you do not know me and as far as my military brothers & sisters they do not like what is happening to this country as well.When our Constitution is getting stepped on & spat on daily & God is being taken away it is time you wake up!

Then use the process our forefathers laid out before us to change it. As long as we all have the power of the vote I don't see the need for violent uprising against the government. We (and by we I mean everyone) need to stop being complacent and use that power. THAT's our big problem. We've been asleep at the voting booth for too long.

[Jrsgun]

When it threatens our whole way of life and Texas as well. Washington's mandates on transportation,education,housing,health care,family issues and religion continue. I support state sovereignty reserved under the 10th amendment and oppose mandates beyond the scope of federal authority.Downsizing of the Federal Govt. is needed in order to re-establish states rights. Socialism is upon us and socialism does not listen to the people, it runs you. I vote all the time and I believe in it but this country will be destroyed by socialism before that time comes and that is why we need to save Texas before it happens.

I have to get back to my duties thank you kindly

[scarmig]

bluescreen, as you so notedly pointed out, the states *did* use the process our forfathers laid out before us. No where in the Constitution is the right to secede denied. And when you take into account the 10th Amendment, the right to secede is easily justifiable.

The states followed the process and were (literally in some cases) burned for it.

A patriot, a true patriot, always questions his government because he loves his country more.

And there are three boxes to change a out of control government.

Ballot box
Soap box
Cartridge box

When one fails, you try the next. That is how you preserve freedom in the face of government. And no patriot should ever deny the value of all three boxes in preserving his country.

[TexasReb]

Originally Posted by bluescreen73

I don't think YOU get it either. Secession will trigger a WAR with the US that will result in countless deaths. A war (where correct me if I'm wrong) the south has already gotten it's ass kicked once.

Whoa there, BlueScreen...

I am no advocate of secession at this point in time (and it is an urban myth that Texas is the only state which has the specific right to secede), but the South did NOT get its "ass kicked." On the contrary, our grandfathers wore themselves out whipping the yankees.

That might come across a bit sarcastic, but it also contains literal historical truth. Only the northern numerical advantage of more manpower and industrial resources beat the South. And the Texans were the toughest fighters of all.

One can call secession foolhardy, unwise and rash action (and many Southern men of the day did ), but that doesn't at all take away from that they could fight like hell...and did. Bottom line? Once again, because it cannot be emphasized enough: Only the vastly superior and replaceable manpower and resources of the North, were reason the South lost. Even most of the northern generals in the field said as much..

You are an Un-American traitor. You'll hide behind the comforts offered you by the AMERICAN men and women on the front lines and then spit in their faces by suggesting Texas should just take their football and go home. The fact that you're allowed to spew your tripe without being hauled off by the police should be proof enough that we live in a great country. If you don't like it, maybe you should leave.

Let's cool off a minute, ok?

Again, I am NOT advocating secession. Not now, at any rate. But how is it "traitorous" to suggest that the concept of secession is of itself "Un-American"?

The (these) United States were, for gosh sakes, the result of secession. The Declaration of Independence is the proud epitome of secession in its own right...

[awecelot]

TexasReb, the victor writes the history books. You are, of course, correct about the reason for the result of the Civil War. One thing that is often misunderstood is that the Conf. had better military leadership, which is why the Conf. had great triumphs at the beginning of the war, and lost toward the end because of a lack of manufacturing, manpower, and railroads. The South's rural character was its undoing.

I would like to point out that I do not advocate Texas seceding from the U.S.A.

Our government was set up based upon the ideals of John Locke. His Second Treatise of Civil Government should be mandatory reading for all Americans.

John Locke: Second Treatise of Civil Government

[bluescreen73]

TexasReb,
I apologize for getting worked up. The topic of secession is just VERY touchy (and not to mention completely illogical) to me.

How can anyone advocate secession when the biggest problem with our country is voter apathy? If we had 70, 80, 90% turnout for elections (presidential AND midterm) and we still had a government that wouldn't listen to us I might be more open to the idea.

We just elected the first black president in the history of the country for pete's sake. Regardless of your political leanings having a black man on the presidential ballot was a watershed moment for the country and yet we STILL had less than 60% voter turnout. That's pathetic. Mid-terms are even worse ~ typically less than 40%.

My town has a mayoral election coming up in May. Wanna bet that less than 10% of the registered voters show up on election day?

If we are to change the direction of the country, we all need to stand up and be counted.