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Old 03-14-2009, 09:11 PM
 
Location: DFW
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never forget Perry is an Aggie--
he knows the legislature (even the Republicans) will override this decision of his and the state will get the money--when it is gone--the legislature will revert to the way it calculates UEB currently--which has created a large shortfall because Perry in all his wisdom refused to increase the business portion when times were good and the economy was cooking--IF he had done that TX and its UEB people would have been in much better shape than it is now...
...because he is a died in the wool I never re-think an issue Republican
it is long overdue for him to be out of office--heck---he never should have been elected in the first place IMO...he gives Aggies a bad name...
If left wing democrats ran this state, we would be in a situation similar to California.

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Old 03-15-2009, 08:59 AM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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never forget Perry is an Aggie--
he knows the legislature (even the Republicans) will override this decision of his and the state will get the money--when it is gone--the legislature will revert to the way it calculates UEB currently--which has created a large shortfall because Perry in all his wisdom refused to increase the business portion when times were good and the economy was cooking--IF he had done that TX and its UEB people would have been in much better shape than it is now...
...because he is a died in the wool I never re-think an issue Republican
it is long overdue for him to be out of office--heck---he never should have been elected in the first place IMO...he gives Aggies a bad name...
Thanks for saying what had to be said about Perry. He is no friend of the common middle class texan. I don't agree with everything that Pres Obama proposes or signs, but to call him a Marxist is a bit extreme, in my opinion.
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Old 03-15-2009, 10:33 AM
 
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this whole confrontation between Obama's policies and most Republican politicians is NOT based on their policies--if it truly was--the Republicans in power for the past 8 years WOULD NOT have increased our federal spending and created a HUGH deficit--this is about political posturing for re-election...
they are trying to save their jobs any way they can--and at the expense of the people in their states--they should be ASHAMED...
from what I understand it is perfectly LEGAL and PLAUSIBLE that the state can accept the federal monies associate with UEB funding and reverse the policies back to what they are now after they have used the federal funds---
call it bait and switch or whatever--but it is not PERMANENT--and it would a great deal to bolster the flagging economy here...
people who are receiving UEB are going to turn around and put that money right back into the hands of local merchants for things like food, gas, clothing, taxes, school...they are not going to be investing in the stock market or taking trips to Europe now that airlines are dropping fares...
they are going to be LEGAL residents as well--vs people who get hired to work on stimulus jobs who could be illegal workers...(not getting into that) just mean they are TEXANS who need help...
they should be PERRY'S first priority--but they never have been--he is just a suckup for the wealthy special interest groups...
Republicans who are too stupid and irrational to understand the lessons of history are just going to doom this country--
thinking George Bush could govern the US when he could not even run a company or get a job w/o his daddy's help/influence/family friends--that was ignoring the lessons of history--
well I guess we saw what a great thinker/planner/visionary he was--
if you think this would have happened with Al Gore--think again...
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Old 03-15-2009, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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This unemployment stimulus, as I read in the paper today, was described similar to a payday loan.
Get the $$$ now and pay back two/three times what it cost later.

I don't think we as a nation will be in a better financial/economic situation 2 years down the road.
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Old 03-15-2009, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Thanks for saying what had to be said about Perry. He is no friend of the common middle class texan. I don't agree with everything that Pres Obama proposes or signs, but to call him a Marxist is a bit extreme, in my opinion.
I'm one of those rogues who believe there isn't much difference between the elements which make up the two party duopoly. Sure, their declared policies seem worlds apart, but their actions betray their words.

Both parties when in power, with some notable exceptions while Reagen was in office, have grown the central government and feathered their own beds at almost every opportunity to do so, and to the detriment of us the body politic.

They have even shaped our attitude about who wee see themas, and how we view our own role in our once unique society. Subtlety is the greatest weapon when a small class of elitist wish to subdue and control a much larger class. And subtlety has been the cornerstone of this vast transfer of power over the last century.

Small, seemingly insignificant things like the terminology they have foisted upon us. We are no longer the body politic, we are "taxpayers, consumers, workers (that right out of Marx's book).

They are no longer Statesman, they are "LAWMAKERS". Classic Marxism seeks to destroy capitalism in the economic arena by design, and uses the nexus of class struggle to effect the social change it needs to implement the inexorable anti-capitalist formula which is central to nurture the growth of Marxism.

Marxists believe that since the tension between social classes is deemed to be the cause of political unrest, the solution is to establishing "public ownership" which is actually "government ownership" as the only solution to the cancer that is Capitalism. This is not my idea of what Marxism is, it is the historical model of it and is a stepping stone to the next degree of totalitarianism known as Communism. If you cannot see this happening before your very eyes you are standing on that Egyptian river Denial. Hey, a little humor is always good.

Many Americans are still in a state of cognizant dissonance regarding this transition period in our country. Many, event hose who voted for Omaba, some maybe especially who voted for Obama do not want to believe that our actual form of government is changing drastically before our very eyes. It is not only happening, much of it *has* happened. Some of these implementations have been subtle, some not so subtle.

If you want to read some prophetic words, read Common Sense and the Federalist papers. Our founders told us exactly what would happen to us if we allowed ourselves to become ignorant of, and careless with, our responsibilities and duties as the Sovereign Body Politic. We have become ignorant, and we become devoid of a sense of duty and responsibility and human nature being what it is, we are seeing exactly the things happen to us that the framers warned us about in such detail over 230 years ago.

These are my own opinions on the matter ~ we each must be our own history professors and at the same time our won students of our instruction. MSNBC nor even Fox News is going to give you the education you need to become "enlightened" enough to realize how corrupt the Republicrats have become and what they have done to OUR country.

Stop looking at such a short timeline and look to world history over the past several centuries and these things become clear, to those have the ears to hear and eyes to see. Some of you may lambaste me for being so "critical" without offering a "solution". I have offered the only solution available to us at this point. Educate yourself. Knowledge is not power it is potential power. If it not put to use it is nothing.

Back to my rat killin.
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Old 03-18-2009, 02:09 AM
 
Location: DFW
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Well, sweet D-Towner....This is definitely something of which we can both agree.
I don't think I can agree with anybody who doesn't believe in the right for a Texan to display his or her overtly unnecessary pride in their State...but I guess I'll make an exception for you.
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Old 03-18-2009, 10:50 AM
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Location: Houston-Galveston-Sugar Land MSA
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What a doof I cant believe he did that, how does this money affect businesses when this is for people who dont have a job an places arent hiring, show me proof.
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Old 03-18-2009, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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What a doof I cant believe he did that, how does this money affect businesses when this is for people who dont have a job an places arent hiring, show me proof.
It affects business because they will need to start paying unemployment insurance for part-time workers.

Did you read the bill ? A requirement is that states must include part-time workers for unemployment but after 2 years the state will not get any Fed funds. The requirement to add part-time workers is permanent.

Yes that will affect business, especially small businesses that can only afford to hire part time workers.
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Old 03-18-2009, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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I have to say that, being more liberatarian than anything else (besides maybe independent?), that the precedent set by the stimulus is horrible. If you want the money (the money that was collected from YOU....well, actually, never collected from anyone ), you will do exactly what we say. Next year, we might have to get rid of the 'right to work/right to fire' aspect of Texas. And, well, maybe we will be forced to take on a specific tax structure that is determined by the federal government.

Sure, in one case it is the state government making bad decisions, but that has got to be better than a federal government making even worse bad decisions. Isn't it the federal government that tried to put everyone in a home, regardless of consequence, by changing the laws? I could care less on why RP turns down the money, it is the right way to go.

And any bill that is so big and put together so fast is going to have issues - look where the AIG money ended up. That is a legal result of the bailout money because it was done to fast and too sloppily - much like the stimulus. We have not even begun to see what scams and side effects will come out of this.
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Old 03-18-2009, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Upper East Side of Texas
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I'm glad Texas rejected it. We don't really need it in the first place & lastly why accept something that we'll end up having to pay back anyways?

Obama is trying to put a band aid on a problem that in 5 years time will be worse off than before.
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