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Old 05-25-2009, 08:12 AM
 
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I don't know, Tyler has the only Level One Trauma Center in East Texas and truely two large Regional Meicial Centers the Second largest in Area EMS in the state, even Waco uses ETMC based out of East Texas Regional Medical Center in Tyler.

So why doesn't population count? It does for comparing all the other areas we consider Major Cities. Tyler and Longview are certainly the HUB of East Texas from the Area Dallas to Shreveport? Much more sales tax revenue in the Tyler/Longview than M/O and getting back to Medical and Shopping both areas combined draw close to a Million people for shopping and medical care. So yes, major, if you must consider Midland Odessa and just because there isn't much in the way of population in Central West Texas you are major. I can't see why being isolated qualifies you for being a major city, that doesn't just automatically designate the M/O areas as major. T/L have the largest overall impact in East Texas, which is fairly densely populated with many small towns/cities when you compare it to Central West Texas.

Again, I am not calling T/L or M/O as major cities in Texas.

As I said before, Tyler alone would be the largest city in 6 states, second largest in 11 more states but in Texas not a significant or major city. This is just to point out how many "good" sized cities are in Texas as compared to most other states.

All these cities would be major there. Waco, Killeen, Wichita Falls, San Angelo, Midland, Odessa, Amarillo, Lubbuck, Beaumont etc.


Ok, Lubbuck is major in the Panhandle Area.

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Old 05-25-2009, 12:46 PM
 
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^ Tyler and Longview are not even a CMSA.

There's little if any physical or economic cohesion between the two areas. What's your reasoning for combining them?
 
Old 05-25-2009, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Central Austin
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I don't know, Tyler has the only Level One Trauma Center in East Texas and truely two large Regional Meicial Centers the Second largest in Area EMS in the state, even Waco uses ETMC based out of East Texas Regional Medical Center in Tyler.

So why doesn't population count? It does for comparing all the other areas we consider Major Cities. Tyler and Longview are certainly the HUB of East Texas from the Area Dallas to Shreveport? Much more sales tax revenue in the Tyler/Longview than M/O and getting back to Medical and Shopping both areas combined draw close to a Million people for shopping and medical care. So yes, major, if you must consider Midland Odessa and just because there isn't much in the way of population in Central West Texas you are major. I can't see why being isolated qualifies you for being a major city, that doesn't just automatically designate the M/O areas as major. T/L have the largest overall impact in East Texas, which is fairly densely populated with many small towns/cities when you compare it to Central West Texas

Again, I am not calling T/L or M/O as major cities in Texas.

As I said before, Tyler alone would be the largest city in 6 states, second largest in 11 more states but in Texas not a significant or major city. This is just to point out how many "good" sized cities are in Texas as compared to most
other states.

All these cities would be major there. Waco, Killeen, Wichita Falls, San Angelo, Midland, Odessa, Amarillo, Lubbuck, Beaumont etc.

Ok, Lubbuck is major in the Panhandle Area.
Except for Amarillo, Lubbock is almost twice the size of the cities on your list (even then, Lubbock has around 30,000 more than Amarillo). It is arguably the center of all of West Texas. People from Amarillo, Midland, and Roswell come to Lubbock to shop and get medical care that isn't even offered in cities much larger like El Paso, Albuquerque, and Tucson. Lubbock is the only city with a major university on your list and by far the most diverse, with over 90 nations represented. I think Lubbock is more important than all those cities you put us down with. I'm not trying to say Lubbock is anywhere near the level of importance of the major cities in Texas, but I would put it right behind Corpus Christi.

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Old 05-25-2009, 01:39 PM
 
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Few areas are CMSA not Waco, Not Lubbock, Not Killeen, Temple, Beaumont, Midland Odessa
 
Old 05-25-2009, 01:43 PM
 
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Except for Amarillo, Lubbock is almost twice the size of the cities on your list (even then, Lubbock has around 30,000 more). It is arguably the center of all of West Texas. People from Amarillo, Midland, and Roswell come to Lubbock to shop and get medical care that isn't even offered in cities much larger like El Paso, Albuquerque, and Tucson. Lubbock is the only city with a major university on your list and by far the most diverse, with over 90 nations represented. I think Lubbock is more important than all those cities you put us down with. I'm not trying to say Lubbock is anywhere near the level of importance of the major cities in Texas, but I would put it right behind Corpus Christi.
Wrong, Waco has Baylor, and Killeen is easily much more diverse than Lubbock will ever be.

Lubbock is only successful because of its location, as well as Midland and Odessa. The cities along I35 are over-shadowed by cities like Dallas, Austin, and San Antonio.
 
Old 05-25-2009, 01:46 PM
 
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"DANGERFIELD"

Are you from Dangerfield Texas ? Then you should hear most everyone who has ANYTHING to say about the area call it the Tyler/Longview Area. TV stations, and just general comments I hear often from the DFW area people. The radio stations I listen too call it the Tyler Longview area, the weather is given for both at the same time. It's combned, maybe not to you, but as much as some of the other areas we hear about. Cohesion? No rivalry yes. Even the the City Councils of both cities met in joint session. The Regional Mobility "Hour Glass" Project have the two working together to get better transportation to the (AREA).

OH and if You are from Daingerfield then you are about 40 miles from Downtown Longivew thus about 75 miles from Tyler and just may not be aware of what I'm taling about.

Also I work in Tyler with about 60 other people in an office. I work with 4 people from Longview two from Gladewater, 2 from the Gilmer area, from Athens, Jacksonville, Henderson, Palestine, Quitman, Winnsboro, Terrell, Wills Point, as far a Lake Bob Sandlin, which is fairly close to, even Mount Vernon, about 1/3 of the people live in Tyler, 1/3 out in the county and 1/3 from another county.

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Old 05-25-2009, 03:15 PM
 
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Wrong, Waco has Baylor, and Killeen is easily much more diverse than Lubbock will ever be.

Lubbock is only successful because of its location, as well as Midland and Odessa. The cities along I35 are over-shadowed by cities like Dallas, Austin, and San Antonio.
I didn't realize how diverse Killeen was until I looked up the demographics, and I just completely spaced out Baylor.
I'm not sure what you mean by the whole location thing. Every city that exists is successful because of its location. Lubbock is the center of the South Plains. M/O sits right on top of an oil field. Waco grew because of its location on the Brazos River. Killeen is right next to Fort Hood.
 
Old 05-25-2009, 04:54 PM
 
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Nah, Houston and Dallas are in their own group. San Antonio is not on their level and is in the same group as Austin.

San Antonio's urbanized area is much larger than Austin's, I would't say Austin and San Antonio are equal in population.


Metro regions over 5,000,000 DFW and Houston & Gulf coast.

Houston-Gavelston, Dallas-Ft.Worth Alington Both in the top ten metros in the U.S. I wouldn't put San Antonio in the same tier as a far as population. San Antonio and Austin both offer the same cultural ammenties and cultural venues and both have more vibrant downtowns than Dallas or Houston.

2,000,000-2.5 million
San Antonio is a Smaller scale large metro area. In the same tier as Denver, Cleveland, Cinncinatti, Pittsburgh, and Portland. These are in the top 30 metro areas. San Antonio is the 27th largest metro, Austin is the 37th. San Antonio is the 37th largest TV market and Austin the 54th, since both markets overlap each other, lowers their rank.

I would group Austin with cities like Nashville and Charlotte.
 
Old 05-25-2009, 05:02 PM
 
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Few areas are CMSA not Waco, Not Lubbock, Not Killeen, Temple, Beaumont, Midland Odessa
Midland/Odessa are a CMSA.

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"DANGERFIELD"

Are you from Dangerfield Texas ?
No.

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Then you should hear most everyone who has ANYTHING to say about the area call it the Tyler/Longview Area. TV stations, and just general comments I hear often from the DFW area people. The radio stations I listen too call it the Tyler Longview area, the weather is given for both at the same time. It's combned, maybe not to you, but as much as some of the other areas we hear about. Cohesion? No rivalry yes. Even the the City Councils of both cities met in joint session. The Regional Mobility "Hour Glass" Project have the two working together to get better transportation to the (AREA).

OH and if You are from Daingerfield then you are about 40 miles from Downtown Longivew thus about 75 miles from Tyler and just may not be aware of what I'm taling about.


Also I work in Tyler with about 60 other people in an office. I work with 4 people from Longview two from Gladewater, 2 from the Gilmer area, from Athens, Jacksonville, Henderson, Palestine, Quitman, Winnsboro, Terrell, Wills Point, as far a Lake Bob Sandlin, which is fairly close to, even Mount Vernon, about 1/3 of the people live in Tyler, 1/3 out in the county and 1/3 from another county.
I don't see it.

The Census Bureau doesn't currently see the Tyler and Longview connection either.

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Old 05-25-2009, 05:19 PM
 
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The list of the many ways T/L are connected you didn't respond to. But as I've said on this topic before, yes Tyler and Longview are not growing toward each other. Longview is growing more North, Tyler mostly South, Marshall is Harrison County was taken of the Longview Metro Area. Shreveport/Bossier City is not a magnet for job growth as you can tell buy their census figures, but sure many in Tyler do go to "The Boats" in Shreveport lol Tyler/Longview people shop in each city but people in both cities take off to DFW for "real" urban activity. Shreveport has little "alure" other than "The Boats". More people come to Tyler hospitals rather Tyler to Longview, however Longview is improving, but many more specialists in Tyler. I think I'm thru with this topic. Have a good one, everyone !!
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