Conservative- Texas vs OK (Dallas, Austin: violent crime, place to live, legally)

[bman15470]

Looking to relocate to a conservative state. Just read some interesting stuff about OK, that they passed new laws relating to Illegal immigration, gun laws and other conservative ideas. So how would Texas stack up to Oklahoma? Where do you see these states 15 years from now? Texas appears to have some degeneration in its border towns, will this march northward in coming decades or will reforms happen before then? I'm 47 and where I land next Id like to hope that it will retain its conservative foundations. Sorry if I **** off you libs, I do love you all as people but I cant take your politics. bman

[theloneranger]

OK is conservative, but still Democratic for the most part outside of presidential elections. Most of Texas has betrayed the Democractic party for the carpetbagging Good Ole Party.

Texas is just as conservative as Oklahoma, though. Texas is getting more liberal, but still, many of Texas' Democrats are more conservative/moderate than the liberal Democratic party in most of the rest of the country.

If you're worried about the crime from the drug wars creeping northward, I don't think it's likely to happen, but if it hits DFW it's going to hit Oklahoma a couple of minutes after that.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by bman15470

Looking to relocate to a conservative state. Just read some interesting stuff about OK, that they passed new laws relating to Illegal immigration, gun laws and other conservative ideas. So how would Texas stack up to Oklahoma? Where do you see these states 15 years from now? Texas appears to have some degeneration in its border towns, will this march northward in coming decades or will reforms happen before then? I'm 47 and where I land next Id like to hope that it will retain its conservative foundations. Sorry if I **** off you libs, I do love you all as people but I cant take your politics. bman

Both states are conservative in my view, more than many parts of the country, but OK was one of two states that every percint voted McCain. Now that shows something.

There is another issue, Texas is a great place to live and work, no doubt with lots of growth. Ok seems to be a pretty hot place right now as well, especially OKC and Tulsa. No, they are not in the same catagory with Dallas, Austin or the other 2 major Texas cities, but they do offer more than most people realize.

Nita

[theloneranger]

Originally Posted by nmnita

Both states are conservative in my view, more than many parts of the country, but OK was one of two states that every percint voted McCain. Now that shows something.

There is another issue, Texas is a great place to live and work, no doubt with lots of growth. Ok seems to be a pretty hot place right now as well, especially OKC and Tulsa. No, they are not in the same catagory with Dallas, Austin or the other 2 major Texas cities, but they do offer more than most people realize.

Nita

I highly, highly doubt that every precinct in Oklahoma voted McCain. Maybe every county, but not every precinct. Have you ever visited Greenwood in Tulsa? If they voted McCain, my name is George W. Bush.

[bman15470]

Thanks LR. I wasn't necessarily thinking about violent crime so much as just the general shift to-wards liberalism- hating the USA, hating God, hating conservative values ("marriage, what an outdated concept") will Texas continue to be a proud and independent state championing individual liberty's (private property rights) and such? Or will the debilitating nature of the "progressive movement" spread from Austin fueled by the franchised voting block of cradle to grave illegal immigrants from the south.

[Spade]

Originally Posted by theloneranger

I highly, highly doubt that every precinct in Oklahoma voted McCain. Maybe every county, but not every precinct. Have you ever visited Greenwood in Tulsa? If they voted McCain, my name is George W. Bush.

Yeah, she or he (I'm sorry nmita) probably meant every county. Every county went Bush as well in 2004. Right now, Oklahoma and Texas are conservative but Oklahoma as a whole is more conservative. Oklahoma in 15 years has a better chance to remain more conservative compared to Texas. Texas is just receiving many more people per year than Oklahoma is in a decade so the changing demographics with Hispanics moving to Texas as well as Asians are changing the political landscape of the state.

[bman15470]

Also why does Texas not secure the border? Is there too much involved as it relates to Federal issues? Don't get me wrong, immigration is great when people follow the rules. Same gos for those who hire. Not blaming just the Mexicans, Fed Gov needs to uphold the Immigration laws, employers need to abide in hiring rules and immigrants need to come here legally. Everybody does there job and it solves a lot of problems. So what say you Texas, you got the sand to do your part like OK on these issues? Gotta love a fighting spirit for a good cause. bman

[love roses]

Originally Posted by bman15470

Thanks LR. I wasn't necessarily thinking about violent crime so much as just the general shift to-wards liberalism- hating the USA, hating God, hating conservative values ("marriage, what an outdated concept") will Texas continue to be a proud and independent state championing individual liberty's (private property rights) and such? Or will the debilitating nature of the "progressive movement" spread from Austin fueled by the franchised voting block of cradle to grave illegal immigrants from the south.

I don't think so. It's mainly the city cores that are more liberal leaning, and even that isn't ultra leftie.

[Spade]

Originally Posted by love roses

I don't think so. It's mainly the city cores that are more liberal leaning, and even that isn't ultra leftie.

I think the urban cores of Texas will ultimately end up like Chicago, Philadelphia, and Miami. That meaning it will lean left and be liberal, but not ultra liberal like San Francisco and Boston. They are certainly headed that way. The cities I mentioned are liberal, but they aren't nearly like San Francisco or Boston either.

OKC and Tulsa are more conservative leaning and I would say your Texas equal to that would be the suburbs (although that's starting to change ever so slowly) or smaller towns.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by theloneranger

I highly, highly doubt that every precinct in Oklahoma voted McCain. Maybe every county, but not every precinct. Have you ever visited Greenwood in Tulsa? If they voted McCain, my name is George W. Bush.

you could be right, but my understanding was, every precinct. I will try to get the story and re-read it...

Nita