Better skyline Houston or Dallas? (San Antonio, Fort Worth: farms, Chinatown, tanks)

[dollaztx]

Originally Posted by Truth713

You keep saying dallas is way ahead of Houston in this and that.. the only problem is no one outside of Dallas agree with is..including the other cities

I wish both sides would post actual links instead of just arguing for either Dallas or Houston.

[Metro Matt]

Originally Posted by binkyman

There isn't any reason to fill in any gaps between downtown Dallas and Uptown Dallas. I think Houston is the one that has many decades of work to do to achieve the same being that Uptown Houston is six miles from downtown Houston. And both the Dallas Design District and the Turtle Creek Business Center border Uptown Dallas. The Southwestern Medical District / Dallas Market Center are now being connected by way of an area that is bounded by Oak Lawn to the south, Stemmons Expressway to the west, Inwood to the north, and Maple Avenue to the east.

This area needs to be called something other than the Stemmons Corridor. For example, when Parkland is complete, the Southwestern Medical District will be served by Stemmons Expressway, by a commuter rail line, by Harry Hines, by a light rail line, and by Maple Avenue.

Doesn't really matter.

Downtown Houston + Midtown alone are larger than Downtown + Uptown Dallas combined already.

Once DT Houston mergers with the Med Center & Uptown it will resemble Miami's linear skyline only much TALLER. That will never happen in Dallas because its smaller skylines like Galleria, Las Colinas, Telecom Corridor, etc. are just way too far away. All of Houston's tallest skylines (Downtown, Uptown, Med Center, Greenway Plaza, Museum District) are inside its urban loop...not the case in Dallas where you only have Downtown, Uptown, & a very short medical center district.

[dollaztx]

Originally Posted by Metro Matt

Doesn't really matter.

Downtown Houston + Midtown alone are larger than Downtown + Uptown Dallas combined already.

Once DT Houston mergers with the Med Center & Uptown it will resemble Miami's linear skyline only much taller.

In there lies the problem though. What do you consider Uptown? Does it include Turtle Creek, Victory Park, West Village/Cityplace, Oak Lawn, Design District? It's all one continues urban area.

[binkyman]

Originally Posted by Truth713

You keep saying dallas is way ahead of Houston in this and that.. the only problem is no one outside of Dallas agree with is..including the other cities

I backed up my contention with information. Colliers presented together a list of total office space within Austin, San Antonio, Dallas - Fort Worth, and Houston. The list shows both San Antonio and Dallas - Fort Worth as having much lower office rates than the other two. Somehow, the criteria used by Colliers is finding 140,000,000 square feet of office space within Dallas - Fort Worth than in Houston.

For one, I'm thinking a low rise office building is just a lot cheaper to build than is a high rise. Houston just needs bigger chunks of space to service its huge energy companies while it doesn't have near the numbers of small businesses as Dallas - Fort Worth. Las Colinas alone has over ten thousand small businesses based in its submarket. The telecom corridor in Richardson has between 5 and 6 thousand. Some market reports take the trouble to go in and wean out the office space from the warehouse space. Other market reports seem to just count the office space within industrial areas as part of the warehouse space.

This really is comparing apples to oranges.

How do the market reports count tank storage space for the oil and gas industry? You know, all those massive numbers of tanks in the 100 refineries based in and about the Houston area? Well, they would count it as warehouse or industrial space wouldn't they? But that is going to be devoid of office space.

[Truth713]

Originally Posted by dollaztx

I wish both sides would post actual links instead of just arguing for either Dallas or Houston.

Houston has produced dozens of links to support what ever claim we have made.. be it from mass transit to proposed or under construction projects... Beside Like I said the general problem lies in this notion that Dallas is decades ahead of Houston. a claim I have only seen from dallasites and no one else.. we have even willing to say they are a few years ahead in this or that, just as we are a few years ahead of them in others.. yet time again they come up with this absurd notion that they are so far ahead they have left Houston in the dust with most people from outside of ither city have said is just not the case.

[Metro Matt]

Originally Posted by dollaztx

In there lies the problem though. What do you consider Uptown? Does it include Turtle Creek, Victory Park, West Village/Cityplace, Oak Lawn, Design District? It's all one continues urban area.

There have already been pictures posted on here showing the comparison of DT Houston to DT + Uptown Dallas. Houston is clearly much larger in all 3 categories: area, height, & office space.

[binkyman]

Originally Posted by dollaztx

I wish both sides would post actual links instead of just arguing for either Dallas or Houston.

I did post a link concerning the total amount of office space. It could have been a typo. But according to their criteria, the Dallas - Fort Worth area has 140,000,000 square feet more space than does the Houston area. This list is significant in how it lists the market together.

[rynetwo]

Geez People!

Houston has 251,155,516 of rentable office space as of year end 2011.


Dallas has 241,420,595 SF of renatable office space as of year end 2011.

Then you need add the addtional 47,195,833 for Ft.Worth to the Dallas number.



http://recenter.tamu.edu/mreports/2012/DallasFWArl.pdf

http://recenter.tamu.edu/mreports/2012/HoustonSLBay.pdf


Please also remember that Dallas metro is 400,000 people larger than the Houston metro area. ( I understand that most of you know this but two posters can't seem to grasp the concept)

[binkyman]

Originally Posted by Metro Matt

Doesn't really matter.

Downtown Houston + Midtown alone are larger than Downtown + Uptown Dallas combined already.

Once DT Houston mergers with the Med Center & Uptown it will resemble Miami's linear skyline only much TALLER. That will never happen in Dallas because its smaller skylines like Galleria, Las Colinas, Telecom Corridor, etc. are just way too far away. All of Houston's tallest skylines (Downtown, Uptown, Med Center, Greenway Plaza, Museum District) are inside its urban loop...not the case in Dallas where you only have Downtown, Uptown, & a very short medical center district.

Comparing Midtown Houston to Uptown Dallas is like comparing a dog to a bear. First off, before it even exists as Midtown, it has to be connected as Midtown. The massive infrastructure elevated to separate downtown Houston from Midtown Houston goes beyond indelible. How many homeless die every year in Houston walking into that concrete Great Wall of China trying to get from Midtown to Downtown? The veterinarians have to be constantly up in arms about this inhumane treatment!

[Truth713]

Originally Posted by rynetwo

Geez People!

Houston has 251,155,516 of rentable office space as of year end 2011.

http://recenter.tamu.edu/mreports/2012/HoustonSLBay.pdf

Dallas has 241,420,595 SF of renatable office space.

Then you need add the addtional 47,195,833 for Ft.Worth to the Dallas number.

http://recenter.tamu.edu/mreports/2012/DallasFWArl.pdf

Yes once again forth worth saves dallas..