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Old 12-18-2009, 09:13 AM
 
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It HAS been awhile since I've been over to Odessa. I now remember Winwood Mall, but I had thought that Winwood was the one that was renamed Music City Mall--and that Permian Mall was intact as originally named.

Midland Park Mall, when first built, was a really good mall, but had gone downhill in recent years.
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Old 12-18-2009, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Midessa, Texas Home Yangzhou, Jiangsu temporarily
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MCM is larger, but consider that the ice rink, movie theater, and CBS 7 take up a lot of square footage in the mall. There is also a lot of empty store space in Music City Mall. Even the Chick-fil-A closed down!

Midland Park Mall includes typical stores like Aeropostale, Abercrombie & Fitch, Charlotte Russe, Coach, Hollister, James Avery, Hot Topic, Old Navy, Victoria's Secret, etc.

Hopefully Burlington will help turn MCM around and land some more tenants. That mall is in dire need of more stores.
I am not really sure where you going with this. Yeah, the theater and ice rink and t.v. studio do take up a lot of space, but I don't see why they should not be considered in the mall's overall square footage. Movie theaters and ice skating rinks are an especially common feature of malls around the country. Even CBS 7 is not particularly unusually placed. Many places that broadcast, like for example ESPN, will have retail stores on the same location.

Is there a lot of empty space in MCM? I hadn't noticed but then again I don't go to the mall very often. It wouldn't surprise me tho with the economy as bad as it on a national level. Last time I was in Las Vegas, I went to one of the malls (I have no idea what the name of it was but it was of the ones connected to the casinos on the strip) and it seemed like half the stores were closed. And I think that Chick-fil-A didn't so much close as they just moved into their own building in front of HEB.
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Old 12-18-2009, 02:29 PM
 
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I am not really sure where you going with this. Yeah, the theater and ice rink and t.v. studio do take up a lot of space, but I don't see why they should not be considered in the mall's overall square footage. Movie theaters and ice skating rinks are an especially common feature of malls around the country. Even CBS 7 is not particularly unusually placed. Many places that broadcast, like for example ESPN, will have retail stores on the same location.

Is there a lot of empty space in MCM? I hadn't noticed but then again I don't go to the mall very often. It wouldn't surprise me tho with the economy as bad as it on a national level. Last time I was in Las Vegas, I went to one of the malls (I have no idea what the name of it was but it was of the ones connected to the casinos on the strip) and it seemed like half the stores were closed. And I think that Chick-fil-A didn't so much close as they just moved into their own building in front of HEB.

That Chick-fil-a by HEB opened over 5 years ago! The Chick-fil-a in MCM just closed down this summer. Midland has 2 (one by Wal-Mart and another in the mall).

CBS 7 has no retail attachment. It is just a glass wall so you can watch the news being filmed. It doesn't really attract anyone. It takes up the space of at least 10 stores.


I haven't been to MCM since the summer time. There are lots of stores that have closed in the last year. There were very few people inside the mall. I used to visit the mall all the time. Now it is depressing to visit.

They did recently install new carpet.
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Old 12-18-2009, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Midessa, Texas Home Yangzhou, Jiangsu temporarily
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That Chick-fil-a by HEB opened over 5 years ago! The Chick-fil-a in MCM just closed down this summer. Midland has 2 (one by Wal-Mart and another in the mall).
I didn't realize that the one in the mall closed that recently. It makes sense tho that one would close being that close to the other since they will just be in competition with each other and the one by HEB is more visible and has a drive thru. It would make more sense to me to the second location in a different part of town, like over by the west side Wal Mart.

Oh that reminds me, since this is the Odessa developments thread, there is a new shopping center being built by the westside Wal Mart. I don't know what it is called.

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CBS 7 has no retail attachment. It is just a glass wall so you can watch the news being filmed. It doesn't really attract anyone. It takes up the space of at least 10 stores.
Well, whether it attracts anyone or not, that was clearly the intent otherwise they wouldn't have those windows so that shoppers can see in.


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I haven't been to MCM since the summer time. There are lots of stores that have closed in the last year. There were very few people inside the mall. I used to visit the mall all the time. Now it is depressing to visit.

They did recently install new carpet.
Oddly I feel that I am being baited here to defend MCM or something. I won't since I don't have any emotional investment in either mall. If you are saying that Midland Park Mall is better than MCM you'll get no argument from me. If you saying that Midland Park Mall is larger than MCM because MCM has CBS 7 taking up retail space, well that is a creative interpretation of the facts, but whatever.
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Old 12-18-2009, 08:31 PM
 
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Oddly I feel that I am being baited here to defend MCM or something. I won't since I don't have any emotional investment in either mall. If you are saying that Midland Park Mall is better than MCM you'll get no argument from me. If you saying that Midland Park Mall is larger than MCM because MCM has CBS 7 taking up retail space, well that is a creative interpretation of the facts, but whatever.
I'm just claiming that Midland Park Mall has more shopping options. It features your more typical stores and is owned by a mall conglomerate.

Music City Mall can claim to have more entertainment options. Being locally owned and having very few national chains doesn't appear to benefit the mall.

Where I live in San Antonio there are 5 Chick-fil-a restaurants within 2 miles of my residence. In fact two malls in that city have a Chick-fil-a inside the mall and another free standing unit outside. Chick-fil-a operates locations in almost every mall in Texas. I don't think the company closed the store for fear of competing against themselves. The two Midland locations are less than .5 miles apart. The Odessa locations were over 1 miles from each other.

Neither Midland Park Mall or Music City Mall is worth visiting in my opinion. Too bad those are the only options for the area.
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Old 12-19-2009, 09:49 AM
 
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As a mom with young children, going to MCM is an "event" especially when it's cold or raining outside. We drive from Midland. We ride the carousel and the train. We then eat lunch and watch the ice skaters. Then we usually buy something I need anyway at one of the stores (Hallmark for example) Midland Mall does not have a Hallmark store any more but there is one across from Hastings. Then the kids play in one of the two play areas. We then go home to usually a long nap from all the activity. So MCM is actually a very nice place for a Mom with young children especially on a day we can't go to the park! Just my 2 cents.

Pam
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Old 12-19-2009, 12:39 PM
 
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As a mom with young children, going to MCM is an "event" especially when it's cold or raining outside. We drive from Midland. We ride the carousel and the train. We then eat lunch and watch the ice skaters. Then we usually buy something I need anyway at one of the stores (Hallmark for example) Midland Mall does not have a Hallmark store any more but there is one across from Hastings. Then the kids play in one of the two play areas. We then go home to usually a long nap from all the activity. So MCM is actually a very nice place for a Mom with young children especially on a day we can't go to the park! Just my 2 cents.

Pam
Midland Park no longer has their big Hallmark? What DO they have left besides the anchors (Dillard's, Sears, JCPenney and James Avery) and a few little junky boutiques?

It used to be a really nice mall, too.
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Old 12-19-2009, 02:40 PM
 
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Midland Park no longer has their big Hallmark? What DO they have left besides the anchors (Dillard's, Sears, JCPenney and James Avery) and a few little junky boutiques?
Midland Park Mall has almost 80 stores open in the mall including the stores mentioned in my earlier post.

Music City Mall has less than 70. What kind of a mall has a car dealership and mobile home dealership INSIDE the mall?
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Old 12-19-2009, 02:45 PM
 
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Midland Park Mall has almost 80 stores open in the mall including the stores mentioned in my earlier post.

Music City Mall has less than 70. What kind of a mall has a car dealership and mobile home dealership INSIDE the mall?
Ouch.

I finally found a directory for MPM....

http://www.simon.com/mall/MallDirectory.aspx?id=218
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Old 12-19-2009, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Midessa, Texas Home Yangzhou, Jiangsu temporarily
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I went to MCM today. It turns out that even tho I did my Christmas shopping over a month ago, I needed to get a gift for someone that I normally don't buy for. We have a tradition of not getting each other gifts for Christmas but I found out that this person bought me something this year, so yeah, I need to get them something. Anyway, I only counted three empty stores in the mall. One of them was were Burlington Coat Factory is going and the other two were smaller spaces, one near Fuddruckers and one near the main stage and JCPenny. Some of the stores may only be seasonal, but still, the place was packed. There were a lot of families there with young children. All in all it seems to be doing fine, especially considering how bad the economy is right now.
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