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SweethomeSanAntonio · 01-17-2008, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Guerilla

No, they are on the same tier. SA has the Spurs. Austin has the UT Sports. SA has better freeway infrastructure, but Austin has rail and is working on its freeways (long process). Entertainment options, Austin has a thriving nightlife and many museums. SA is better in that department though. SA has a medical center, but that doesn't make it much more important. Austin is tops in the tech industry and has many companies in the tech industry in Austin (though their HQ may not be in Austin, they have a VERY strong presence). Austin also kills SA when it comes to urban development in its core.

I can't believe you SA guys think you are on a completely different level than Austin. It is amazing.

I'll let you all think that. Believe it if you want, but you are the only two people.

San Antonio has NBA, WNBA,AHL,Texas laegue baseball.

Austin doesn't even have Texas league baseball. San Antonio has the second largest medical center in Texas. The healthcare-Biomedical is a 15 billion dollar industry. Austin doesn't have anything close.

Urban core, are you crazy? San Antonio has many projects underway downtown. The scope of River North tieing in with the expansion of the Riverwalk, will pretty much leave all Texas downtowns behind. We just need to wait and see how River North, So Flo, Pearl District, East Town, Southtown, continue to grow and put San Antonio's downtown on another level. Austin's downtwon doesn't have, Alamo Plazas,Market squares,Main Plaza's, and I can go on and on. Yes tourists frequent these areas's but so do the locals.

I will give Austin credit for building more high rise condos downtown. San Antonio's downtown is more historic building condo conversions, etc. It does, however, have high rise living options, and others UC or planned.

Guerilla · 01-17-2008, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SweethomeSanAntonio

San Antonio has NBA, WNBA,AHL,Texas laegue baseball.

WNBA? When do they play? And Austin has the CHL, Arena Football, NBA D-League, PCL (baseball).

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Austin doesn't even have Texas league baseball. San Antonio has the second largest medical center in Texas. The healthcare-Biomedical is a 15 billion dollar industry. Austin doesn't have anything close.

And Austin has the state's largest university.

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Urban core, are you crazy? San Antonio has many projects underway downtown. The scope of River North tieing in with the expansion of the Riverwalk, will pretty much leave all Texas downtowns behind. We just need to wait and see how River North, So Flo, Pearl District, East Town, Southtown, continue to grow and put San Antonio's downtown on another level. Austin's downtwon doesn't have, Alamo Plazas,Market squares,Main Plaza's, and I can go on and on. Yes tourists frequent these areas's but so do the locals.

Nah, I think your crazy to think you are on another level than Austin. It won't leave all Texas downtowns behind. The Riverwalk is nice, and SA has the nicest Downtown now. And those projects in the district you named are small. They are mainly three-five story buildings and the are few and far between. Most of the development in SA is in the suburbs around 410 and 1604. Austin has so many highrises that tie in to those three-five story towers that they are building as well. And tourists do not frequent those areas. Don't lie. Tourists stay in Downtown near the Riverwalk and Rivercenter Mall. You know that.

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I will give Austin credit for building more high rise condos downtown. San Antonio's downtown is more historic building condo conversions, etc. It does, however, have high rise living options, and others UC or planned.

There aren't too many building conversions. Intown development has't really taken off in SA, and the developers are staying out in the suburbs. SA has one highrise condo building under construction and that is the Vidorra. Post some of the other condo buildings that are planned.

imaterry78259 · 01-17-2008, 06:37 AM

Yes, it always end up becoming a SA versus Austin thread mainly because Austinites love to bash SA and other cities instead of complimenting them on their own merits.
Like I said before Austin is not the prettiest girl at the dance but it has the biggest ego and swagger. All I say to Austin is to quote and toast Gen George Patton " from one SOB city to the other" In other words all cities have more similarities its the people that makes the difference.
UT is a state school not a city of Austin university -Sorry guys

Guerilla · 01-17-2008, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by imaterry78259

Yes, it always end up becoming a SA versus Austin thread mainly because Austinites love to bash SA and other cities instead of complimenting them on their own merits.
Like I said before Austin is not the prettiest girl at the dance but it has the biggest ego and swagger. All I say to Austin is to quote and toast Gen George Patton " from one SOB city to the other" In other words all cities have more similarities its the people that makes the difference.
UT is a state school not a city of Austin university -Sorry guys

I'm not even from Austin and haven't been there for four years. Spade isn't from their either.

Besides, UT is IN Austin and contributes to its economy. From bars, to sports, to some young workforce.

beowulf7 · 01-17-2008, 11:54 AM

Forgetting about which city is better, how will the influx of population affect TX real estate (RE)? Our RE never hit that big boom in the late 1990s and early 2000s while most of the country did. Now that RE is soft and even depressed in most areas of the country, I've noticed some slumping prices here (I live in FW). But if the long-term trend is an influx of population in TX, wouldn't that mean that RE is bound to rebound and exceed the RE appreciation of the nation - at least within city limits, where RE is starting to become sparse?

SweethomeSanAntonio · 01-17-2008, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Guerilla

WNBA? When do they play? And Austin has the CHL, Arena Football, NBA D-League, PCL (baseball).

And Austin has the state's largest university.

Nah, I think your crazy to think you are on another level than Austin. It won't leave all Texas downtowns behind. The Riverwalk is nice, and SA has the nicest Downtown now. And those projects in the district you named are small. They are mainly three-five story buildings and the are few and far between. Most of the development in SA is in the suburbs around 410 and 1604. Austin has so many highrises that tie in to those three-five story towers that they are building as well.

And tourists do not frequent those areas. Don't lie. Tourists stay in Downtown near the Riverwalk and Rivercenter Mall. You know that.

What are you talking about?

There aren't too many building conversions. Intown development has't really taken off in SA, and the developers are staying out in the suburbs. SA has one highrise condo building under construction and that is the Vidorra. Post some of the other condo buildings that are planned.

Guerilla · 01-17-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SweethomeSanAntonio

I said highrise construction. Not little two-story conversions. Those all look like normal apartment buildings (on the outside and in). There are a few exceptions though.

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NEW CONSTRUCTION for tourist
Vidora tower 1 22 floors
Vidora tower 2 22 floors
Aletza-Grand Hyatt 37 floors
La Cascada 1 completed 14 floors
downtown apartments in san antonio, townhomes, condos, lofts, historic living, property listings
La Cascada 2 completed -12 floors
Vistana 17 floors
San Loernzo Piazza Urban River Village 14, 10,7 floors
Piazza San Lorenzo – luxury condominium real estate development on San Antonio Riverwalk, Texas
Broadway Lofts 4 floors, mutiple buildings.
Artisan Park Lofts downtown
Luxury Newly Built - Condo/Townhouse in San Antonio TX United States*|*Sotheby's International Realty®

At least be truthful with it man. A lot of those you named are not under construction.

And here is your Austin list (check this out first, this is also from the link above):

darkblue = 900 - 999 ft
olive = 800 - 899 ft
magenta = 700 - 799 ft
green = 600 - 699 ft
blue = 500 - 599 ft
brown = 400 - 499 ft
chocolate = 300 - 399 ft
purple = 200 - 299 ft
Black = under 200 ft

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[size=4]Highrises:[/size]
[pre] Name Use Struct. Ht. Mainroof Flrs. Year Website Borough Neighborhood[/pre]
[size=3]Under construction:[/size]

[pre]The Austonian Residential 683 ft 680 .. 56 2009 Website Downtown 2nd Street District[/pre]
[pre]360 Condominiums Residential 563 ft 462 ft 44 2008 Website/2 Downtown[/pre]
[pre]W Austin Hotel & Residences Hotel/Res. 433 ft 433 .. 35 2009 Website Downtown 2nd Street District[/pre]
[pre]Spring Residential 432 ft 405 .. 43 2009 Website Downtown West End[/pre]
[pre]Altavida Residential 412 ft ??? .. 37 2008 Website Downtown 2nd Street District[/pre]
[pre]Legacy @ Town Lake Residential 339 ft 322 ft 31 2009 Website Downtown Waterfront District[/pre]
[pre]The Monarch Residential 323 ft 300 ft 29 2008 Website /2 Downtown West End[/pre]
[pre]The Shore Residential 257 ft 237 ft 22 2008 Website Downtown Waterfront District[/pre]
[pre]21 Rio Residential 236 ft ??? .. 21 2009 Website Cen.Aus. West Campus[/pre]
[pre]AMLI Block 22 Residential 225 ft 203 ft 18 2008 Website Downtown 2nd Street District[/pre]
[pre]1108 Lavaca Office 126 ft 88 ft 9 2008 Website Downtown Financial District[/pre]
[pre]La Vista on Lavaca Residential 119 ft ??? .. 8 2007 Website Downtown Uptown[/pre]

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[pre] Name Use Struct. Ht. Mainroof Flrs. Year Website Borough Neighborhood[/pre]
[size=3]Site prep/Demolition:[/size]

[pre]Hotel Van Zandt Hotel/Res. ??? .. ??? .. 29 2008 ....... Downtown Waterfront District[/pre]
[pre]The Park Residential ??? .. ??? .. 14 2009 ....... S.Austin Restaurant Row[/pre]
[pre]The Orsay Residential ??? .. ??? .. 8 ???? ....... Downtown Financial District[/pre]

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Notes:

* ~ The Capitol Tower is an existing office building built in 1986. The building is 246 feet tall with 20 floors and will be renovated. A new rooftop crescent shaped crown will be added that will increase the building's height to 259 feet.

[pre] Name Use Struct. Ht. Mainroof Flrs. Year Website Borough Neighborhood[/pre]
[size=3]Approved:[/size]

[pre]501 Congress Residential 705 ft ??? .. 47 2009 Website Downtown Financial District[/pre]
[pre]601-699 West 7th Street Residential 400 ft ??? .. 33 2008 Website Downtown[/pre]
[pre]Capitol Tower* Office 246 ft ??? .. 20 1986 ....... Downtown Financial District[/pre]
[pre]Gables Park Plaza Residential 195 ft ??? .. 15 2008 ....... Downtown[/pre]
[pre]Federal Courthouse Courthouse 135 ft ??? .. 7 2009 ....... Downtown Warehouse District[/pre]
[pre]St. David's Medical Center Office 120 ft ??? .. 8 2008 ....... Cen.Aus. Hancock[/pre]
[pre]Four Seasons Residences Residential ??? .. ??? .. 38 2009 ....... Downtown[/pre]
[pre]Red River Residential Tower Residential ??? .. ??? .. 27 2009 ....... Downtown[/pre]
[pre]St. David's North Austin Medical Center Hospital ??? .. ??? .. 8 2009 ....... N.Austin[/pre]

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[pre] Name Use Struct. Ht. Mainroof Flrs. Year Website Borough Neighborhood[/pre]
[size=3]Proposed:[/size]

[pre]21C Austin Hotel/Res. 580 ft ??? .. 44 2010 Website Downtown[/pre]
[pre]401-499 West 6th Street Hotel/Res. 550 ft ??? .. 40 2010 ....... Downtown[/pre]
[pre]501-599 West 6th Street Residential 450 ft ??? .. 35 2009 ....... Downtown[/pre]
[pre]800 West Residential 250 ft ??? ft ?? ???? ....... Downtown[/pre]
[pre]AquaTerra Residential 199 ft ??? .. 19 2008 Website S.Austin[/pre]
[pre]East Avenue Andaz Hotel & Residences Hotel/Res. 182 ft ??? ft 17 2010 ....... Cent.Aus. Hancock[/pre]
[pre]Marriott Convention Center Hotel Hotel ??? .. ??? .. 34 2009 ....... Downtown Financial District[/pre]
[pre]TWELVE Domain Hotel/Res. ??? .. ??? .. 28 ???? Website/2 N.Austin The Domain[/pre]
[pre]Seaholm Plaza Hotel Hotel/Res. ??? .. ??? .. 22 2009 ....... Downtown West End[/pre]
[pre]220-300 East Riverside Drive Tower I Residential ??? .. ??? .. 18 2009 ....... S.Austin[/pre]
[pre]220-300 East Riverside Drive Tower II Residential ??? .. ??? .. 18 2009 ....... S.Austin[/pre]
[pre]220-300 East Riverside Drive Tower III Residential ??? .. ??? .. 18 2009 ....... S.Austin[/pre]
[pre]The Park at Aspen Lake Building C Office ??? .. ??? .. 15 ???? ....... NW.Austin Jollyville[/pre]
[pre]The Park at Aspen Lake Building D Office ??? .. ??? .. 15 ???? ....... NW.Austin Jollyville[/pre]
[pre]Renaissance Convention Center Hotel Hotel ??? .. ??? .. 11 2009 ....... Downtown Financial District[/pre]
[pre]Capitol Commons Office ??? .. ??? .. 10 ???? ....... Downtown Uptown[/pre]
[pre]The Domain Apartments Residential ??? .. ??? .. 8 2008 ....... N.Austin The Domain[/pre]
[pre]The Domain Hotel Hotel ??? .. ??? .. 8 ???? ....... N.Austin The Domain[/pre]

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As far as sports, cities are not on the same level. Austin Ice bats play against laredo,Odessa and Amarillo. Their games are at Chaparral Ice rink.AHL is a step above CHL, just like NHL is a step above AHL. THe Rampage play their games at the AT&T Center. Cities include, Most Canadian cities, and larger American cities. S.A is a tier above in sports. Are you for real? Plus all the Final Fours and major sporting events.

No, they are about the same in sports. SA does have the NBA and hosts more sporting events, but Austin has UT and all its glory, too. UT is like Austin's pro team.

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San Antonio is a tier higher imo.

Yours, and only yours. No one else (except imaterry) sees SA on another tier. It is amazing that you do. Austin leads SA in rail transportation, highrise condo living, new intown development (not out in the suburbs like in SA). Austin also has a much busier airport and a major University sitting in its core.

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