12 Million more Texans by 2030 (Houston, Dallas: real estate, work, property)

[mpope409]

Originally Posted by Spade

Dallas was growing fast before FW ever got the chance to even become a city that mattered in Texas. You seem to underestimate Dallas place in this state as well as the region. It was going to grow with or without Fort Worth being there. Dallas still has twice the population of Fort Worth or very near it. Dallas MSA is still growing slightly faster. Dallas is still attracting fortune 500 compaines to the city and it's immediate suburbs. W?O Dallas, Frisco, Mesquite, Garland, McKinney, Denton, Irving, Grand Prarie, Lewisville, Carrolton, Richardson, the southern suburbs of Lancaster, Duncanville, and De Soto would all be around the size of Galveston is today. And if there was no Fort Worth, cities like Waxahachie and Ellis County would be much larger. More people commute from Tarrant county (Fort Worth) into Dallas county to work anyway than the other way around.

Oh and those suburbs surrounding Tarrant County like Grapevine, and Flower Mound are a result of Dallas because those people still believe they moved to the Dallas area. Just moved to it's burbs. Dallas could do it on their own. FW needs Dallas more than Dallas needs FW.

Apparently, Fort Worth doesn't need Dallas at all because Dallas isn't doing anything but making it seem like it's all DALLAS. Why are Dallas' F500 hq's being thrown all over North Texas? Population is also a major factor. Why is Dallas' proper pop smaller than San Antonio's. Say what you want, but none of four largest have this problem and probably never will. Not in this half of the century. The only reason the "Dallas" metro is so large is because it combines two major cities. Two. Not just one urban core. Why don't we just call Dallas, North Texas? I said the same thing about the Atlanta name. Granted both "cities" have remarkable importance, but...whatever. It's bad enough that Sunbelt cities are known for sprawl, but now Dallas has to go and do things that, in my opinion, make it lose it's credibility as a mass urban core.

[mpope409]

Originally Posted by Guerilla

I would hate to attract Fortune 500 companies to my suburbs. That is what will hurt Dallas once these suburbs get larger. They are getting more businesses from the city.

That's what I was generally trying to say. And people say Dallas and Houston are the same. Yeah, right. Even though Dallas is a tad bit more dense, most of Houston is centralized. We have a very large area, but I think that will prove to be rather beneficial in the future.

[lovintexas]

Wow, I was considering a move to Fort Worth or Arlington in the D/FW Metroplex, and Galveston in the Houston metro. But the more I look at it, is that really what I want? 9,000,000 residents a piece around D/FW and Houston. Dirtier air? Larger crowds in shopping centers? Worse traffic? More crime? More rude and uncouthe people (mostly transplants, and from California at that)? I was even looking at Austin, and apparently it has a major big city attitude and complex for the metro to have 1,800,000 people. Of course, I guess it's by all means a big city now, but do the drivers have to act like they're in Chicago? I mean, really!

I LOVE Texas to pieces, don't get me wrong. I'm still looking at San Antonio. It's a metropolis, but it's doing a much better job of controlling job growth and sprawl, so that means it won't become as crowded nearly as fast. And I can still drive to Austin on weekends if I want to catch a good live band (I'm not saying S.A. doesn't have them.)

The more I think about it, if I don't do S.A., I'll probably move to a smaller city that is growing at a healthy but fast-paced rate: Tyler, Longview, Waco, Sherman-Denison, Abilene, San Angelo, Corpus Christi... Afterall, I don't want to live in a po-dunk town, but the main reason I'm attracted to Texas is its hospitality for which it is rightly renowned.

[Guerilla]

Originally Posted by lovintexas

Wow, I was considering a move to Fort Worth or Arlington in the D/FW Metroplex, and Galveston in the Houston metro. But the more I look at it, is that really what I want? 9,000,000 residents a piece around D/FW and Houston. Dirtier air? Larger crowds in shopping centers? Worse traffic? More crime? More rude and uncouthe people (mostly transplants, and from California at that)? I was even looking at Austin, and apparently it has a major big city attitude and complex for the metro to have 1,800,000 people. Of course, I guess it's by all means a big city now, but do the drivers have to act like they're in Chicago? I mean, really!

I LOVE Texas to pieces, don't get me wrong. I'm still looking at San Antonio. It's a metropolis, but it's doing a much better job of controlling job growth and sprawl, so that means it won't become as crowded nearly as fast. And I can still drive to Austin on weekends if I want to catch a good live band (I'm not saying S.A. doesn't have them.)

The more I think about it, if I don't do S.A., I'll probably move to a smaller city that is growing at a healthy but fast-paced rate: Tyler, Longview, Waco, Sherman-Denison, Abilene, San Angelo, Corpus Christi... Afterall, I don't want to live in a po-dunk town, but the main reason I'm attracted to Texas is its hospitality for which it is rightly renowned.

What?!? San Antonio is not controlling sprawl. That place is sprawling so fast to the north and northwest, and no major mass transit options to those suburbs. You should see the amount of shopping centers going up on those sides of town.

[Spade]

Originally Posted by mpope409

Apparently, Fort Worth doesn't need Dallas at all because Dallas isn't doing anything but making it seem like it's all DALLAS. Why are Dallas' F500 hq's being thrown all over North Texas? Population is also a major factor. Why is Dallas' proper pop smaller than San Antonio's. Say what you want, but none of four largest have this problem and probably never will. Not in this half of the century. The only reason the "Dallas" metro is so large is because it combines two major cities. Two. Not just one urban core. Why don't we just call Dallas, North Texas? I said the same thing about the Atlanta name. Granted both "cities" have remarkable importance, but...whatever. It's bad enough that Sunbelt cities are known for sprawl, but now Dallas has to go and do things that, in my opinion, make it lose it's credibility as a mass urban core.

Fortune 500 companies are being thrown all over Chicago land as well. But MOST are in the Dallas MSA. Dallas proper has 1.2 million. Their are 5 million more living in the metro. Chicago has 2.8 living in the city proper. 6.4 million people live in the rest of the metro.

San Francisco proper is smaller than San Diego. Miami proper is smaller than Jacksonville. But if you asked residents in both places which city is bigger, they will tell you San Francisco and Miami. BTW, fortune 500 companies are all over San Francisco bay area as well.

You seem to not understand that Dallas would be large even without Fort Worth. Hell, take out Fort Worth now, and it's still large. Large enough to be the 10th largest MSA in the country. May not be the 6.1 it is now. But still big enough.

Oh and they already call it North Texas. But it's still the DFW metroplex.

[Spade]

Originally Posted by mpope409

That's what I was generally trying to say. And people say Dallas and Houston are the same. Yeah, right. Even though Dallas is a tad bit more dense, most of Houston is centralized. We have a very large area, but I think that will prove to be rather beneficial in the future.

They both are building in a different way. But make no mistake about it. Dallas and Houston are essentially the same exact cities. Now I also wish Dallas would have more of the regions fortune 500 companies in the city of Dallas. But Dallas still has the most in the region and is attracting more such as Comerica moving to downtown. And other compaines located in the suburbs are thinking about moving to downtown/victory as well.

[Guerilla]

Originally Posted by Spade

They both are building in a different way. But make no mistake about it. Dallas and Houston are essentially the same exact cities. Now I also wish Dallas would have more of the regions fortune 500 companies in the city of Dallas. But Dallas still has the most in the region and is attracting more such as Comerica moving to downtown. And other compaines located in the suburbs are thinking about moving to downtown/victory as well.

Like who?

[Spade]

From what I read on DallasMetropolis, JC Penney was talking about moving from Plano to a building in downtown. That's the biggest I know of, though. The rest were just small businesses moving to the city from around the area. But again, most of the region fortune 500 companies reside in Dallas.

13 of the 23 fortune 500 compaines are in the city. Not to mention that Comerica will be the 14th of the 24th.

[Guerilla]

So that's a little more than half. Too bad Comerica isn't bringing in many jobs. Just a few execs. Almost like ExxonMobil. Houston has most of their employees.

[Spade]

Originally Posted by Guerilla

So that's a little more than half. Too bad Comerica isn't bringing in many jobs. Just a few execs. Almost like ExxonMobil. Houston has most of their employees.

But the fact of the matter is they are moving downtown. Don't care if it's only 1, they are moving downtown.