Where are the real racist parts of Texas?? (Plano, Alice: crime rate, safe)

[coffeelover1]

Originally Posted by ReppingDFW

Maybe not openly racist, but I bet you that many of the northern suburbanites wouldn't be too happy if an African American family moved next door.

I have been to Pittsburgh and Newark, NJ briefly. Pittsburgh , I think is just like Texas when it comes to racism (subtle not in your face kind). Newark seems nice.
Dallas can be very openly racist. (of course not Moderator cut: edited name-calling or anything in your face, but also not the subtle one either). Somewhere in between.
I haven't lived in NE, but have met plenty of them here in Texas, and I can hold a decent conversation with them etc.....and I think their racism at most is the subtle one ( I can do business with you but that is all, which is good enough for me).
But in any case I find it hard to believe NY city to be that racist. I mean most affluent blacks are in NE.

[justme02]

Originally Posted by coffeelover1

I have been to Pittsburgh and Newark, NJ briefly. Pittsburgh , I think is just like Texas when it comes to racism (subtle not in your face kind). Newark seems nice.
Dallas can be very openly racist. (Of course not Moderator cut: edited name-calling or anything in your face, but also not the subtle one either).Somewhere in between.
I haven't lived in NE, but have met plenty of them here in Texas, and I can hold a decent conversation with them etc.....and I think their racism at most is the subtle one ( I can do business with you but that is all, which is good enough for me).
But in any case I find it hard to believe NY city to be that racist. I mean most affluent blacks are in NE.

What personal experiences have you had in Dallas that drew you to your conculsion?

[Overcooked_Oatmeal]

Originally Posted by coffeelover1

Dallas is a racist city for blacks (any colored skin) depending on what area you are at. South Texas may not be very Racist. Austin the same (not so racist). I have also met a lot of guys from the hill country, and they happen to be the nicest people I have ever met. corpus christi seemed to be nice too.

Originally Posted by ReppingDFW

Maybe not openly racist, but I bet you that many of the northern suburbanites wouldn't be too happy if an African American family moved next door.

Great posts and pretty accurate based on my experiences living in the white-republican Disneyland northern suburbs of Dallas/Ft. Worth. While things have changed in the last decade or so, a lot of the good ol' boy resentment still lingers. Why do you think Prosper and Celina are the popular places to live now? Although I do disagree with coffeelover's assertions of Austin.

Originally Posted by justme02

Let's break this down...

You're saying making sweeping generalizations about a group of people is bad (racism), yet you go on to do it yourself.

Originally Posted by justme02

What personal experiences have you had in Dallas that drew you to your conculsion?

While I can't speak for other posters, I have several years worth of stories that can back up what other posters have said as you know, but then again, it's all in our minds and we're just imagining things, right Justme? I guess I imagined my front door vandalized with graffiti and a rock thrown in my window when my (now-ex) husband and I moved to Plano back in the day too!

[justme02]

Originally Posted by Overcooked_Oatmeal

While I can't speak for other posters, I have several years worth of stories that can back up what other posters have said as you know, but then again, it's all in our minds and we're just imagining things, right Justme? I guess I imagined my front door vandalized with graffiti and a rock thrown in my window when my (now-ex) husband and I moved to Plano back in the day too!

Did I say any of that?? Good lord no.

It is different to me. As a Middle Eastern man married to a Asian woman, my experiences have been the opposite of what your describing living in Plano. I have black, African, Asian, and Hispanic neighbors in my neighborhood and everyone gets along great. Take a trip to Russell Creek park and you will see everyone's kids playing with each other too.

I guess thing here must be different in Plano than when you lived here. It is still pretty Republican tho.

[ReppingDFW]

Originally Posted by justme02

Let's break this down...

You're saying making sweeping generalizations about a group of people is bad (racism), yet you go on to do it yourself.

Well, the northern burbs were build on the back of white flight. This trend continues today, as I know families who have left Plano and moved to McKinney/Prosper/Celina because of the growing number of Asians/Indians/African Americans, ect in Plano. The sad thing is, if they looked past the skin color, they'd find these people to be very pleasant and just as middle/upper-middle class as they are, but in some mind's increasing number of minorities equates to urban decay.

[justme02]

Originally Posted by ReppingDFW

Well, the northern burbs were build on the back of white flight. This trend continues today, as I know families who have left Plano and moved to McKinney/Prosper/Celina because of the growing number of Asians/Indians/African Americans, ect in Plano. The sad thing is, if they looked past the skin color, they'd find these people to be very pleasant and just as middle/upper-middle class as they are, but in some mind's increasing number of minorities equates to urban decay.

I can believe the part about Prosper and Celina, but McKinney is also diversifying as well. In fact, McKinney is becoming extremely popular for upper/upper-middle class African Americans. I bowl with two such individuals who love McKinney. Below are the stats about the city growth from 2000-2010, you can see the trend:

http://www.s4.brown.edu/us2010/segre...cityid=4845744

I also dont believe people are fleeing Plano to McKinney to get away from African-Americans because the African-American population is larger in McKinney.

I also think some of the white flight from Plano can be explained by the fact that the growing number of Asians/Indians in Plano makes it harder for kids to be top 10% (and thus getting into the state school of their choice). There was an article in the Dallas Morning news about white parents in Plano that are starting to send their kids to DISD (using their fathers work address) just because the competition for top 10% is a lot less taxing.

[TexasReb]

Originally Posted by Overcooked_Oatmeal

While I can't speak for other posters, I have several years worth of stories that can back up what other posters have said as you know, but then again, it's all in our minds and we're just imagining things, right Justme? I guess I imagined my front door vandalized with graffiti and a rock thrown in my window when my (now-ex) husband and I moved to Plano back in the day too!

Can you furnish the police report on this. Or at least the number of it? My sister and brother in law live in Plano, so was this vandalmism just ignored?

Ok, there was a rock thrown thru your window. What was the graffiti? Or, rather, what did it say? Was it racial in nature? I have been "tagged" before too, and a rock thrown thru the window of my own home, and it turned out to be black kids. BUT...didn't translate into it being an expression of "race hate". I never thought of it in those terms at all. It was just stupid kids (they had to have been stupid, cos if I had caught them terroizing my family and home, they would either have gone to the morgue, hospital or been in jail).

I am not trying to be a smart-a$$ here, OCO -- and you are one of my favorite opponents, far as that goes -- but you also have (at least IMHO) a history of making everything a racial issue...

Sorry, but lots of us are simply sick of that. It has gone on for at least 30 years and is getting tiring. In fact, it is starting to backfire, I would think...

[Overcooked_Oatmeal]

Originally Posted by TexasReb

Can you furnish the police report on this. Or at least the number of it? My sister and brother in law live in Plano, so was this vandalmism just ignored?

Ok, there was a rock thrown thru your window. What was the graffiti? Or, rather, what did it say? Was it racial in nature? I have been "tagged" before too, and a rock thrown thru the window of my own home, and it turned out to be black kids. BUT...didn't translate into it being an expression of "race hate". I never thought of it in those terms at all. It was just stupid kids (they had to have been stupid, cos if I had caught them terroizing my family and home, they would either have gone to the morgue, hospital or been in jail).

I am not trying to be a smart-a$$ here, OCO -- and you are one of my favorite opponents, far as that goes -- but you also have (at least IMHO) a history of making everything a racial issue...

Sorry, but lots of us are simply sick of that. It has gone on for at least 30 years and is getting tiring. In fact, it is starting to backfire, I would think...

I guess the 'Get out of here [N-word]' emblazoned across my garage was a big hint some people weren't too happy about our move to the neighborhood. I'm pretty sure you'll think that it was my fault somehow. But nice try at attempting to belittle my experiences and what I went through. It's sad there are people out there who have such a blatant disregard for other people's property, but such is life. But no, the vandalism wasn't ignored and the issue was resolved quickly and that's all that I'll say on that.


Be that as it may, I couldn't care less about what you or anyone else is 'sick of' or what makes you uncomfortable or what is too real for your world, so why you're calling yourself lecturing me or schooling me on something I already know, I have no idea. In other news, I found out that fire is hot and wheels or round. Shocking

Besides, anyone who knows me IRL or my posts on here know I'm pretty equal opportunity in reading for filth and/or inadvertently offending someone regardless of the color of the person - Like I said before, I've been accused of being everything from a self-hating/self-loathing Aunt Jemima coon to being an uppity negress/'sheboon' who doesn't know my place depending on who is mad at me at the moment. I was born full of pis$ and vinegar, and a natural-born smart-a$$ what can I say? I do have friends of all backgrounds and races, but I'm just an observer in this crazy thing called life.

Now off to go tell my nephew out for suggesting I buy him Rice Krispies... He knows the "snap, crackle, pop!" makes me think of my ancestors being whipped

I'm kidding, folks.

[TexasReb]

Originally Posted by Overcooked_Oatmeal

I guess the 'Get out of here [N-word]' emblazoned across my garage was a big hint some people weren't too happy about our move to the neighborhood.

Ok, fair enough. But you know as well as I do that at least a disproportionate number of incidents like this, are later traced to black youths who have a desire to provoke a racial incident. Remember back in the 80's and the church burnings? It turned out it was mostly blacks who burned black churches, and whites who burned white ones.

I'm pretty sure you'll think that it was my fault somehow. But nice try at attempting to belittle my experiences and what I went through.

Why would I think it was your fault? My point is, I can find nothing at all about this incident in the Plano newspapers. And don't you think that it would only stand to reason -- as to how the media loves to cover anything remotely suggestive of a "hate crime" they would have done so? However, if you can provide a link -- either news or police reports -- then I will gladly and publicly apologize.

It's sad there are people out there who have such a blatant disregard for other people's property, but such is life. But no, the vandalism wasn't ignored and the issue was resolved quickly and that's all that I'll say on that.

And I agree with that. Which is why I fully support Texas laws which allow for the use of deadly force to protect property. So was there a police report made? Is it a matter of public record?

Be that as it may, I couldn't care less about what you or anyone else is 'sick of' or what makes you uncomfortable or what is too real for your world, so why you're calling yourself lecturing me or schooling me on something I already know, I have no idea. In other news, I found out that fire is hot and wheels or round. Shocking

And if you want to wallow in victimization the rest of your life, then hey, go for it. At the opposite end of the spectrum? Please don't expect that I (or most of us out here) will perpetually wallow in the hog-trough of "white guilt". As said, it is getting old, and tiring, and the term "racism" has become so overdone it is a joke.

I am not "lecturing you". Geez. I am simply pointing out a different perspective on it all. You can take it or leave it...and that is fine, far as that goes. I said before I respect your intelligence and opinions, even if I vehemently disagree with them. Personally, I can easily see us having a drink together and talking congenially. I don't have a problem with that at all.

On a related tangent, what is "my world"? Actually, it sounds like your world is the one more akin to Alice in Wonderland.

But on another related tangent? You say you couldn't care less about my or anyone else being "sick of" anything. BUT? What if society just got sick of it? Do you support a quota hiring system (euphemistically known as "Affirmative Action"?). If so, fine...but it is not my opinion that matters...it is what you could do -- no, COULD do -- if suddenly - it got scrapped. Black conservatives (such as Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Shelby Foote, etc) have warned about this for YEARS. (BTW -- I wish Thomas Sowell would run for president...he would get my vote in a heart-beat! )

But anyway, in a nutshell, it boils down to that a large segement of the African-American community has become so dependent upon government assistance and affirmative action, that they have come to take it for granted and never consider what would happen if hey, all of a sudden, those old racists just decided it didn't exist anymore and no reason why it should. THEN, they could scream "racism" until Hell freezes over...and it would do a lick of good. Would it? Empower yourselves...is the point those astute black conservatives have been saying for years...and well should and well right...

Besides, anyone who knows me IRL or my posts on here know I'm pretty equal opportunity in reading for filth and/or inadvertently offending someone regardless of the color of the person - Like I said before, I've been accused of being everything from a self-hating/self-loathing Aunt Jemima coon to being an uppity negress/'sheboon' who doesn't know my place depending on who is mad at me at the moment. I was born full of pis$ and vinegar, and a natural-born smart-a$$ what can I say? I do have friends of all backgrounds and races, but I'm just an observer in this crazy thing called life.

Yes, I know you don't fit a particular mold at all. Which is why I like debating/discussing with you. None of this is personal, as I know you know. We cheerfully tolerate one another! LOL

Now off to go tell my nephew out for suggesting I buy him Rice Krispies...

Ever check out those old 60's commercials for that cereal (on YOUTube)? I love 'em all. LOL

[smartaz]

Originally Posted by ReppingDFW

An easier question would be which parts of Texas AREN'T racist.

It's not in your face, saying the n-word in public, type of racism. It's more of a subtle "I don't want to be around (insert minority groups)." type of racism. An area may be statistically diverse, but people won't socialize outside their own ethnicity. and yes, I did grow up in a VERY diverse area.

I'm half white and look it-mostly (military brat), but had two blatant racists incidents directed right at me. One in the 75/Spring Valley area I was getting a quick bite to eat, and then again several months later on the west side of FW (30 and Hulen in the Starbucks parking lot). Both times minding my own business. I gave them both one finger salutes.

I've lived in Austin, TX, south Georgia, SoCal, NY, AZ, CO, and other places with 0 incidents. Well, there was one time when I was really young in S.Korea and walking with my dad who was in uniform, but I think they were just making fun of Americans in general.

So yeah, there is racism in TX, but I'm changing my location to Dallas in several weeks as I'm moving back. TX is still a great place with friendly people and those 2 didn't ruin it for me and they don't represent TX. they just represent idiot racists.