Williams Tower (Houston) VERSUS Bank of America Tower (Dallas) (Post: credit, areas)
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It really isn't that much bigger than Houston's largest. Only about a 140K difference. It's still shorter than Houston's tallest though (by about 85 feet). Actually, Houston has two buildings taller than Dallas' tallest and another only twenty feet shorter than Dallas' tallest. Wow! Not to mention that Downtown Houston has much more office space than Downtown Dallas, yet it is has a MUCH lower vacancy rate.
Yeah, only 140,000 sq ft. Not much, just a Wal Marts square footage. 85' difference in height, hmm, barely noticeable.
They could easily have gone 90 to 100 floors with that building.
It really isn't that much bigger than Houston's largest. Only about a 140K difference. It's still shorter than Houston's tallest though (by about 85 feet). Actually, Houston has two buildings taller than Dallas' tallest and another only twenty feet shorter than Dallas' tallest. Wow! Not to mention that Downtown Houston has much more office space than Downtown Dallas, yet it is has a MUCH lower vacancy rate.
Actually 3 if you count One Shell Plaza's massive antennae piercing some 1,000 feet high into the sky over downtown.
Between Chase Tower in Houston & BOA in Dallas, those 85 feet may not seem like much on paper, but its a noticeable difference when seen in person. Heck, BOA Dallas doesn't even have an observation deck like Chase & Williams Tower! How sad is that?
As far as I'm aware, Dallas only has one tower with an observation level open to the public, Reunion Tower. Houston has three...Chase Tower, Wells Fargo Plaza, & Williams Tower.
Nobody would count that antennae, One Shell isnt in the same league....its only a 50 story 700' building.
It is sad about the observation deck though.
Sears Towers two antennas are counted in its over all height. Why should One Shell Plaza's one be any different?
This is a highly debated subject among skyscraper enthusiasts, but the fact remains its still a part of the over all structure of the building & should therefore still be counted as such IMO.
Sears Towers two antennas are counted in its over all height. Why should One Shell Plaza's one be any different?
This is a highly debated subject among skyscraper enthusiasts, but the fact remains its still a part of the over all structure of the building & should therefore still be counted as such IMO.
Sears's antennas are not counted, thats the only reason Petronas Towers in Kuala Lumpar were #1 for a while. Sears (or Willis) official height is 1451 feet, but with antennaes is 1730 feet. If they counted the antennaes then Willis or Sears would still be worlds #2 and would have been #1 until Burj Khalif was completed in Dubai.
Plus the antennaes on Sears look really good and substantial, One Shell' looks like the cable guy came and put it up...
You love how Houston responds to their demand?? What, do you think the city council voted on building an office tower??? ....thats funny.
Miami's construction boom was mainly condo towers not office buildings. By the way, Miami now has the third best looking and most massive skyline in the US.
What are you talking about? Houston responds to demand, meaning, in Houston, things generally aren't built unless the demand is there. That saves us from having high vacancies like in Downtown Dallas for office space or empty condo space like in Miami. And Miami might have more buildings than Houston, but overall, Houston's Downtown is taller. And what do you mean, third best looking? That's all a matter of opinion. Dallas, Miami, and even Atlanta build a lot of their stuff on speculation, "If you build it, they will come".
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Yeah, only 140,000 sq ft. Not much, just a Wal Marts square footage. 85' difference in height, hmm, barely noticeable.
They could easily have gone 90 to 100 floors with that building.
So, you're going to claim that 140K is a lot of difference, but 85 foot difference isn't either? Seriously, that's just one building, and we'll give you all that. Houston still has MORE taller buildings in its Downtown than Dallas. 12 vs 6 on Texas' tallest buildings, actually. And they could not have gone 90 or 100 floors. Stop exaggerating.
A city does not respond to anything. What is built is a result of the free market and the myriad of developers and corporations that reside or do business in that city. The "city" has nothing to do with it. Cities do not build buildings. Houstons skyline is dominated by the energy industry, Miami's is dominated by tourism/lifestyle. Dallas, more of a mix. I just think Miami's skyline after the boom is more massive, not quite as tall for sure, but more massive.
A city does not respond to anything. What is built is a result of the free market and the myriad of developers and corporations that reside or do business in that city. The "city" has nothing to do with it. Cities do not build buildings. Houstons skyline is dominated by the energy industry, Miami's is dominated by tourism/lifestyle. Dallas, more of a mix. I just think Miami's skyline after the boom is more massive, not quite as tall for sure, but more massive.
Okay, let's say this, developers in Houston (or when developers build in Houston) build with demand, not off of speculation like in Dallas and Miami (where there are HIGH vacancy rates in the core). If you really want to get so technical about it. That's just sad. I can't believe you actually had a problem with that. It's just WAY easier to type.
And Miami's skyline may be more "massive" (really, it's just a linear skyline like Atlanta), but Houston has taller buildings. Also, I think Houston has more buildings than Miami now, with the new buildings under construction. Miami took the title away from Houston when nothing was under construction.
And how is Dallas more of a mix and Houston is not? LOL!
Okay, let's say this, developers in Houston (or when developers build in Houston) build with demand, not off of speculation like in Dallas and Miami (where there are HIGH vacancy rates in the core). If you really want to get so technical about it. That's just sad. I can't believe you actually had a problem with that. It's just WAY easier to type.
And Miami's skyline may be more "massive" (really, it's just a linear skyline like Atlanta), but Houston has taller buildings. Also, I think Houston has more buildings than Miami now, with the new buildings under construction. Miami took the title away from Houston when nothing was under construction.
And how is Dallas more of a mix and Houston is not? LOL!
Im not getting technical, I just thought it funny, because cities dont respond to demand by building an extra office tower. Things dont work that way. Developers in Houston are no more or less opportunistic than in other cities. If Houston had high demand for condos like Miami did, than it would have boomed like Miami, it didnt (no place did) so it didnt. More sustainable, yes. High demand areas like Miami or California will always boom & bust more robustly than midwest or Texas cities. Miami is a very desireable locale so, there is no doubt it will rebound and catch up with supply.
So, you're going to claim that 140K is a lot of difference, but 85 foot difference isn't either? Seriously, that's just one building, and we'll give you all that. Houston still has MORE taller buildings in its Downtown than Dallas. 12 vs 6 on Texas' tallest buildings, actually. And they could not have gone 90 or 100 floors. Stop exaggerating.
BoA could easily have gone 90 if it were as skinny as Williams.
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That's just sad. I can't believe you actually had a problem with that. It's just WAY easier to type. 
