Toledo 2017 Population Estimate: 276,491 (Columbus, Cleveland, Cincinnati: 2015, houses, neighborhoods)

[ferraris]

Census showing Toledo steadily losing residents - The Blade

https://www.cleveland.com/datacentra...elands_po.html

2017 Population - 276,491

In the mid to late 2000's Toledo actually had a larger population than Pittsburgh, but it looks like the recession and housing crisis hit Toledo hard in 2009.

2009 Population - 316,179
2010 Population - 287,010

Some of that may be attributable to the 2010 numbers being from an actual census and the 2009 numbers being an estimate, but that's still a huge drop. Cleveland and Detroit also saw huge drops that year, so I think it really was just the recession hitting the region hard.

The decline from Toledo's peak of 383,818 in 1970 up until the 2000's seems to have been more gradual, but the 2010's have not been kind to Toledo's numbers.

Suddenly the blight I see when returning home makes a lot more sense.

[canudigit]

With all due respect for this data, that 2009 number has to be a grossly exaggerated and inaccurate estimate because the census in 2000 was only 313,000+ and Toledo has certainly not grown in population during the 21st century.

Toledo, OH Population - Census 2010 and 2000 Interactive Map, Demographics, Statistics, Quick Facts - CensusViewer

People have been leaving the city proper for years, and many definitely left between 2000 and 2009 so there is no way that the population would have grown by 3,000+ people during that time, plus the idea of 29,000 people leaving a city, even Toledo, in one year just isn't realistic.

They publish the numbers every year in the Toledo Blade and it is usually somewhere around 1,000-1,500 people who leave the city each year, mostly for the suburbs, not anything like 29,000. If a mass exodus like that had occurred in a year's time, it would have had an enormous impact and houses would have been virtually worthless, we're talking 10% of the population leaving in one year. We have always lived in the Toledo area, at most about 20 miles from the city and even during the recession it didn't get that bad.

I am no cheerleader for the city of Toledo, I think it's a city run by political hacks who don't have a clue and get elected on their name or political party alone and it shows. My family left over 20 years ago for SE Michigan and would not consider moving back. Still, things are not that dire, I promise.

[residinghere2007]

I agree with canudigit.



I actually know a lot of people who moved away from Toledo in the past 10 years but most of them have moved to SE MI for lower taxes and better schools. Most to Bedford and Temperance, etc.



The Blade also does publish the numbers every year.



FWIW I do know quite a few people who have moved to Texas in the past 5 years, mostly family members (about 6 of them). Half of them came back and the other 3 still live in Texas but are talking about coming back and more than likely 2 of them will as they now realize that Toledo isn't all that bad lol.



I 'll also note my spouse is thinking of moving to our Michigan burbs too in the next 5 years. Either Michigan or Point Place but we could get something cheaper and nicer in Michigan near the water.



Most of the blight in Toledo is in the inner city neighborhoods that have been dealing with blight for decades. I'll also note that the 1970 figures for population are kind of misleading considering Toledo absorbed some smaller townships in that era that inflated the population. Prior to that the population was not growing (in the 1960s).

[ferraris]

I've always thought the Toledo MSA gets ripped off a bit by not having any of the Michigan suburbs included.

[dodeca]

Originally Posted by ferraris

Census showing Toledo steadily losing residents - The Blade

https://www.cleveland.com/datacentra...elands_po.html

2017 Population - 276,491

In the mid to late 2000's Toledo actually had a larger population than Pittsburgh, but it looks like the recession and housing crisis hit Toledo hard in 2009.

2009 Population - 316,179
2010 Population - 287,010

Some of that may be attributable to the 2010 numbers being from an actual census and the 2009 numbers being an estimate, but that's still a huge drop. Cleveland and Detroit also saw huge drops that year, so I think it really was just the recession hitting the region hard.

The decline from Toledo's peak of 383,818 in 1970 up until the 2000's seems to have been more gradual, but the 2010's have not been kind to Toledo's numbers.

Suddenly the blight I see when returning home makes a lot more sense.

The annual numbers are only estimates from the American Community Survey. These are not reliable; several times mayors have lobbied for increases in these estimates only to show decreases when the population is actually counted each 10 years in the census. There really arent any officlal numbers except for the decennial census. Take those annual estimates with a grain of salt. I expect Toledo to drop to about 255K in 2020.

[greenvillebuckeye]

Figured since we're now in a census year I'd bring this topic back to the top.

Looking at the July 1, 2019 census estimates


Cities with over 50,000 population in 2019 estimate (although Dublin is not at 50k YET i'm guessing they will be at 50k when the official 2020 numbers come out)

Toledo - 5.1% decrease from 2010
Akron - 0.08% decrease
Dayton - 0.08% decrease
Youngstown - 2.3% decrease
Cleveland - 4.0% decrease
Columbus - 14.1% increase
Cincinnati - 2.3% increase
Springfield - 2.9% decrease
Parma - 4.3% decrease
Newark - 5.7% increase
Lorain - 0.04% decrease
Lakewood - 4.8% decrease
Kettering - 2.4% decrease
Hamilton - 0.07% decrease
Elyria - 1.05% decrease
Dublin - 17.4% increase
Canton - 3.6% decrease


Toledo leads the way in all those listed above, not just among their major urban center counterparts. Any guesses as to why???

FWIW
Maumee - 4.4% decrease
Sylvania - 1.8% increase
Perrysburg - 4.7% increase
Oregon - 1.2% decrease
Rossford - 4.1% increase
Ottawa Hills - 0.07% decrease


Toledo's population
2010 (official census): 287,208
2011: 285,425 (-1,783) / -0.007
2012: 283,185 (-2,240) / -0.008
2013: 282,352 (-833) / -0.003
2014: 280,712 (-1,640) / -0.006
2015: 279,898 (-814) / -0.003
2016: 278,897 (-1,001) / -0.004
2017: 276,688 (-2,209) / -0.008
2018: 274,864 (-1,824) / -0.007
2019: 272,779 (-2,085) / -0.008

With the exception of 2014, the years 2013-2016 seem to have been slightly better in the Glass City. 2017-2019 look a lot like the 2010-2012

Thoughts???

[ferraris]

Originally Posted by greenvillebuckeye

FWIW
Maumee - 4.4% decrease
Sylvania - 1.8% increase
Perrysburg - 4.7% increase
Oregon - 1.2% decrease
Rossford - 4.1% increase
Ottawa Hills - 0.07% decrease

Maumee's decrease surprises me. It seems like Perrysburg and Sylvania have pulled away in the race for being the most desirable suburb for the (upper) middle class suburb based on anecdotal stories I hear (Ottawa Hills is a tier above all three, of course).

Are Perrysburg and Sylvania increasing because there are still new housing developments being built?

Toledo's population
2010 (official census): 287,208
2011: 285,425 (-1,783) / -0.007
2012: 283,185 (-2,240) / -0.008
2013: 282,352 (-833) / -0.003
2014: 280,712 (-1,640) / -0.006
2015: 279,898 (-814) / -0.003
2016: 278,897 (-1,001) / -0.004
2017: 276,688 (-2,209) / -0.008
2018: 274,864 (-1,824) / -0.007
2019: 272,779 (-2,085) / -0.008

With the exception of 2014, the years 2013-2016 seem to have been slightly better in the Glass City. 2017-2019 look a lot like the 2010-2012

Thoughts???

These are all fluctuations of less than 1%. I think it's best to wait for the 2020 census which should be much more accurate.

[Tobias C]

Originally Posted by ferraris

Maumee's decrease surprises me. It seems like Perrysburg and Sylvania have pulled away in the race for being the most desirable suburb for the (upper) middle class suburb based on anecdotal stories I hear (Ottawa Hills is a tier above all three, of course).

Are Perrysburg and Sylvania increasing because there are still new housing developments being built?

I would assume Pburg and Sylvanias growth is due to new development as you said. I'm not basing this off of much but I always feel like Maumee is percieved as being like half a notch below Perrysburg and Sylvania. I dont really know why because I think it's a great town. And Oregon, for having a big population and huge geographical area, feels like times passed it by. Theres no historic downtown to encourage reinvestment in the "older/inner" part of town and no attractive new development on Navarre, just the most generic stuff like Walmarts and BW3.

[greenvillebuckeye]

Originally Posted by ferraris

Maumee's decrease surprises me. It seems like Perrysburg and Sylvania have pulled away in the race for being the most desirable suburb for the (upper) middle class suburb based on anecdotal stories I hear (Ottawa Hills is a tier above all three, of course).

Are Perrysburg and Sylvania increasing because there are still new housing developments being built?



These are all fluctuations of less than 1%. I think it's best to wait for the 2020 census which should be much more accurate.

My speculation in regards to Maumee has always been that the fact that most if not all of it is "land locked" and its proximity to Toledo's south side has forced some to shy away from buying there. Also a lot of the homes seem to be older in Maumee when compared to what is being built or has been built out in Pburg and Sylvania. But that's just speculation.

[greenvillebuckeye]

Originally Posted by Tobias C

I would assume Pburg and Sylvanias growth is due to new development as you said. I'm not basing this off of much but I always feel like Maumee is percieved as being like half a notch below Perrysburg and Sylvania. I dont really know why because I think it's a great town. And Oregon, for having a big population and huge geographical area, feels like times passed it by. Theres no historic downtown to encourage reinvestment in the "older/inner" part of town and no attractive new development on Navarre, just the most generic stuff like Walmarts and BW3.

Agreed. I feel like Oregon missed a chance to be something more than it became. Not saying it's bad by any means but it just means like it could've been Sylvania, could've been Perrysburg, but that just never happened.