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Old 09-08-2009, 04:03 AM
 
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Don't know anything about Toledo except for what a larged nosed transvestite Lebanese man told me on TV.

I don't think I would ever go to Toledo, but if I was there, I would go to Tony Packo's, not just because of Jamie Farr's OK, but because that place has had many celebrities and I have heard nothing but good things about it. Then go to the Mudhens game.

Besides Farr/Klinger and Packos, I would not know of any reason to go there, except to say that I stepped foot in Ohio.
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Old 09-09-2009, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Oregon, OH
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I am a newbie on this forum......and I have just finished browsing the posts on this particular thread. As a (mostly) life-long resident of NW Ohio (living in Toledo more half my 61 years) I feel compelled to add a few comments.

The Good Stuff (National Stage)
Toledo gets some decent press. Many of you have already mentioned the Art Museum (in the Top 10 by many ranking services), the Zoo (considered America's "most complete" zoo), Tony Packo's (famous a number of years ago due to numerous mentions on MASH), Fifth Third Field (rated as the "best minor league venue"), and Oak Openings Metropark (listed as one of the best natural areas in the states). These are the places that you would take your family if they came to visit. Toledo also regularly "claims" Cedar Point (world's leader in roller coasters!), even though Cleveland could, by virtue of mileage, make the same claim.

Toledo grabs national coverage for the number of solar energy companies that are operating.....and more are being considered. The largest automobile-related plants within the city limits get high reviews for productivity (GM Powertrain, on the oft-mentioned Alexis Road) and the huge Chrysler (Fiat) Assembly Plant, one of the world's newest and most-productive vehicle assembly facilities.

The Western Basin of Lake Erie is an incredible fishery and is a constant in the national press. The area is called "The Walleye Capitol Of The World"....and as a boat owner for years I will vouch for that. The lake is also filled with yellow perch (yum!) and the small-mouth bass fishing around the Lake Erie Islands is rated among the best.

The Bad Stuff (National Stage)
Crime statistics can tell a story.....but so can the perceptions, "gut feelings"......and the real deal of violence that hits home. There are some bad neighborhoods in Toledo. A few months ago one of my employees' was shot twice, in a central city gas station robbery. Earlier this year, the son of another employee was murdered in a gang-related shooting. An employee of a company my company has a relationship with was killed earlier this year......riding his bicycle to work work (during the high gasoline cost period).

Toledo's mayor has contributed to "national stage bad stuff". He is a fellow with immense pride in his community but his actions usually involve the words stumbling, bumbling, embarassing, yadda. Plant closing, layoffs.....Toledo is certainly one of the "national stage" locales. For years the city proclaimed that it was "the automobile parts capitol of the world". That is probably not the case now, as many smaller "feeder" companies have bit the dust.

Toledo's airport is a gem......if you like parking within a hundred yards of the terminal....and the terminal is about the size of a high school auditorium. It has never been a large airport, and in the days of cheap airline fares (and airlines that could make a profit!) there were many good flights out of Toledo Express Airport. Toledo's airport is no different than many smaller airports.....not enough passengers to fill a bigger (more efficient) airplane.

Toledo Express was mentioned in a national article. In addition to discussing the elimination of flights at numerous smaller airports the article mentioned Toledo's proximity to Metro Airport in suburban Detroit. That huge facility is less than an hour's motor away.

Side-note: The airport also hosts a huge BAX Global Distribution Center (Sort Hub), with over a thousand employees. At the other end of some of the longest runways in the states is a large Air National Guard facility, with more than 1000 employees.

Education
Metropolitan Toledo is (rightly so) proud of their two major universities, The University of Toledo and Bowling Green State University. Both schools continue to win acclaim (and awards of distinction) for specific focuses related to their missions. Ohio's largest community college, Owens, is in a suburb. Lourdes College (in another suburb) has gained a superb reputation for its' strong focus on building character.

Some of the suburban school districts have scored high marks in their education process. However, the Toledo Public Schools have many challenges. With solid state funding, TPS has built a number of new schools and (as viewed by this outsider) tried very hard to improve their lot in educational life.

TPS has a problem that is not mentioned often. It is called Washington Township. All that remains of this once very large suburban township are a couple small tracts of homes in the northern portion of the county (near Lake Erie). Because these small township tracts remain, the township was able to keep its' own school system.....Washington Local School District. This district (with flagship Whitmer High.....my school!) is one of the largest in the state. Almost all of the district is within the corporate boundaries of Toledo. If those households were in TPS, the numbers (because of the demographics of Washington LSD) would be quite different.....and probably better.

Toledo & The Suburbs
Only a few of the Top 100 USA Metropolitan Areas have as large a percentage of people living in the central core city as Toledo. What does that mean? The outer edges of the city (not the suburbs) all resemble suburbs. Most have a 1950s thru 1970s look and feel. IMO that is one of the reasons that Toledo ranks "better" in some of the statistical categories. These suburb-like neighborhoods have lower crime rates, are well-kept and generally clean, and have higher family incomes (especially in the disposable income category)

When you do cross-over into the suburbs, here's a taste of what you will find.....

Oregon - Working class near its' boundaries with the eastern neighborhoods of Toledo. Oil refineries, a mix of old and new industry, heavy sprawl (Navarre Avenue, Woodville Road). Also is the location of Woodville Mall, another shopping facility that is on death's door. The eastern half of Oregon is agricultural, and has a wonderful state park, Maumee Bay. Maumee Bay State Park is loaded with fun stuff to do, including a huge lodge, rental cottages, beaches, camping, hiking, birding.

Rossford - You can see downtown Toledo from Rossford. Nice little community, with a mix of demographics. The estate area (The Colony) along the Maumee River has some astounding homes (and views).

Perrysburg - One of the older communities, this once-sleepy burg has blossomed into one of Toledo's premier suburbs. The disposable income is high, numerous new shopping areas have sprung up, the central business district has retained its' charm......a nice place. Speaking of shopping areas......Levis Commons (in Perrysburg) has gained national stage attention as one of the best examples of the trend in "lifestyle centers".

Northwood - Geographically a long and skinny suburb. This community (with no real downtown) is filled with industry.....some old.....but mostly newer industry.

The above 'burbs are on the east side of the Maumee River. The new group is on the west side of the river.....

Maumee - Inner-ring suburb with a mixture of older pre-war homes and newer subdivisions. The city assisted in the creation of a large and very successful business park. The CBD is very nice, especially during the holidays. Good bar, too - Dale's.

Holland - Small village in the western portion of the metro. In the last twenty years this place has boomed (along with adjacent townships of Springfield and Monclova). Also the home of.....cough cough.....Joe The Plumber.

Sylvania & Sylvania Township - I mention both locales at the same time because there is a continuing attempt to merge the two, and eliminate over-lapping services and costs. Together, they would create one of the larger suburban communities in Ohio. Both have significant sprawl, a nice blend of demographics, some industry (primarily lighter variety). Sylvania Township is filled with newer subdivisions.

Side-note: Humorist P. J. O'Rourke (born and raised in Toledo) mentioned a Sylvania Township subdivision in one of his numerous essays.

Bedroom suburbs, just a few miles from the outer-ring suburbs, include Swanton, Waterville, and Whitehouse. And Toledo's largest suburb is not even part of the legally-defined metropolitan area. Bedford Township is in Michigan. If you stood on the roof of your house in Bedford Township you could see the sky towers of downtown Toledo. But that large area, filled with retail, commercial, industry and many subdivisions is statistically part of the Detroit Metro Area.

Exit, Stage Left
My son (now 39) and his family moved a couple years ago. They felt that the opportunities for them and their lifestyle (outdoorsy) were better attained in Portland, OR. Many young folks wander away from Toledo. Admittedly, there is not a big nightlife-type scene in Toledo. For many young'n's, the lights are much brighter in places like Chicago (a regular next stop for young Toledo residents), Columbus, Atlanta, and Denver.

So....What's The Answer?
As others have clearly mentioned.....Toledo has its' fair share of problems. It also has some good stuff, although digging through the garbage to find the diamond is demanding and tough. There are smaller cities that are much worse. There are larger cities that are doing much better than Toledo.

There is no right answer.

Bear
Excellent post. Minor correction: Woodville Mall is in Northwood.

I would also call Northwood pretty working-class in nature, a little less upscale than the eastern half of Oregon. Oregon's sprawl along Navarre Ave. and new subdivisions are slowly moving eastward.

It's hard to find ANY bad areas in Toledo's suburbs.
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Old 09-09-2009, 09:33 PM
 
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Excellent post. Minor correction: Woodville Mall is in Northwood.

I would also call Northwood pretty working-class in nature, a little less upscale than the eastern half of Oregon. Oregon's sprawl along Navarre Ave. and new subdivisions are slowly moving eastward.

It's hard to find ANY bad areas in Toledo's suburbs.
Holland has a small number of bad areas mostly section 8 off McCord, but thats it.... Not too sure, but heard Point Place has a few.... From what I know, the suburbs are pretty much safe, but this is coming from someone who grew up in the central city and only spent a stint in Holland....
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Old 09-11-2009, 04:50 PM
 
Location: NW Ohio
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Holland has a small number of bad areas mostly section 8 off McCord, but thats it.... Not too sure, but heard Point Place has a few.... From what I know, the suburbs are pretty much safe, but this is coming from someone who grew up in the central city and only spent a stint in Holland....
Of course, Joe The Plumber lives just off McCord Rd. Hmmmm.....

One of the neighborhoods I grew up in was across the Ottawa River from Point Place. It was a newer (in 1961) subdivision called The Riviera, with streets that joined with the older parts of the Shoreland neighborhood. I know of no bad areas in Point Place, unless you consider Toledo's north end area (south of Manhattan Boulevard) as part of "The Point".

It is true, though, that many houses in some areas of Point Place are small and jammed tightly together. Methinks that is a leftover from the years that The Point was considered "Cottage Country"......back about 1920.

BTW.....I met two wives at The Turtle Club, a floating tavern that was in Point Place.

Bear
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Old 09-12-2009, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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The Turtle Club....now that brought back some fun memories! We used to go there by boat in the 70's quite often.
There was another bar with a boat dock on Broadway, we used to to....what was the name of that one? If you went by car, you had to walk down several steep flights of stairs to get to it.
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Old 09-13-2009, 06:34 PM
 
Location: las vegas
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Iam new here on this board and iam from Toledo been here all my life. I can tell you a list full of things about what's wrong with Toledo,I don't know why some people think this city is all that it's not it sucks eggs.I have been traveling for some time know been to other places Toledo is just a hole in the wall it's not a big city it will never be a big city.There is more to life then Toledo,Ohio a whole world is out there so why do people what to move here for one there are no jobs it's depressed the major is an ass. I tell people the truth about Toledo iam a basher I don't care and people are rude here as well.So if you wonna move here think twice about it you can only go to the Zoo so many times it gets old there is it much to do here but go to the Mall.
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Old 09-13-2009, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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Iam new here on this board and iam from Toledo been here all my life. I can tell you a list full of things about what's wrong with Toledo,I don't know why some people think this city is all that it's not it sucks eggs.I have been traveling for some time know been to other places Toledo is just a hole in the wall it's not a big city it will never be a big city.There is more to life then Toledo,Ohio a whole world is out there so why do people what to move here for one there are no jobs it's depressed the major is an ass. I tell people the truth about Toledo iam a basher I don't care and people are rude here as well.So if you wonna move here think twice about it you can only go to the Zoo so many times it gets old there is it much to do here but go to the Mall.
Hmmmmmm......so are you saying that you like Toledo or not? Don't be afraid to speak your mind.....
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Old 09-13-2009, 09:29 PM
 
Location: las vegas
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Why i hate toledo here is my list 1.empty buildings 2.to many strip malls with nothing in them 3 to many rite aides,walgreens,walmarts.4.for lease or for rent signs 5.major is an ass 6.no jobs 7.katie holmes 8.empty downtown9.one mall10.no night life 11.toledo is depressed,crime.murders 12.people are rude 13. The weather sucks most of the time - been to other citys like las vegas, toledo will never ever be like las vegas this is a small city it will all ways will be that,the future of toledo i think it will get worse the city is shrinking as it is it will be a ghost town maybe in 20 years time or even 10 years.
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Old 09-15-2009, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Fishers, IN
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Why i hate toledo here is my list 1.empty buildings 2.to many strip malls with nothing in them 3 to many rite aides,walgreens,walmarts.4.for lease or for rent signs 5.major is an ass 6.no jobs 7.katie holmes 8.empty downtown9.one mall10.no night life 11.toledo is depressed,crime.murders 12.people are rude 13. The weather sucks most of the time - been to other citys like las vegas, toledo will never ever be like las vegas this is a small city it will all ways will be that,the future of toledo i think it will get worse the city is shrinking as it is it will be a ghost town maybe in 20 years time or even 10 years.
First, I don't think Toledo is trying to be a large city, let alone Vegas.

Second, English is your friend.

Finally, I think your attitude, quite frankly, is typical of many Toledoans, and that's a shame. Still, I understand from where it comes. After all, I don't live there anymore, nor do I plan to return until I die and I'm interred.
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Old 09-15-2009, 11:44 AM
 
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I dont know, I saw something in the Blade talking about how Toledo now has fewer police beats than before. Im not sure how that all works, but I wanted know how that can affect response time???
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