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I don't think driving a typical Toyota is any worse than driving those big boats you seem to love so much. Bottom line is i wouldn't buy either of them because they are all awful to drive.
That's right; you think but you don't know for sure.
If you were to drive any or all of my four cars, you would possibly change your mind.
As I always say, better to drive a "boat" than a soulless econobox!
Toyota has been all over the news the past few years for recalls, yet we haven't really heard how many have been recalled in total. Cheersandgears.com put together this list that includes the date, recall description, and number recalled for every Toyota product worldwide since 2005. The grand total: 25 million Toyotas have been recalled in the last five years.
Edit: apparently there has been one more recall since this list was compiled. The new one is in bold.
25 million is not average; even Ford with its big recall of 1994-2002 trucks/SUVs for the cruise control switch doesn't come anywhere close to 25 million in the last five years.
Recalls are not good; they eat into the bottom line, and when you're Toyota with another month of sales losses, that ain't good. Ford, Hyundai, and GM are eating Toyota's lunch.
And don't forget about profits as Toyota's profits for the quarter ending in September were among the strongest the car maker has ever recorded, guess they wont need a bail out anytime soon.
Last July I traded in a Chevy for a Toyota. One of the best auto-related decisions I've ever made in my life! I'll never buy a Chevrolet again. Between the poor quality and the Govt handouts, it's simply not a product that I'll consider.
You want to scare yourself? Look up TSB's on American vehicles. You'll go down the list going WTH things like this should have been recalled. Talk to mechanics, they give you lists of known defects on American cars. I have Toyota & GM vehicles. The GM vehicles have been more times to the shop than the Toyotas (and the Toyotas have the higher mileages).
Toyota recalled very few cars in the 80s and early 90s.
Makes a body wonder what has happened to quality.
Nothing. Quality is identical. The Japanese were very good at quiet recalls, where they'd simply fix a car when it came in for routine service. Honda was very good at that in the '80s, when I was working for them. Mitsubishi got in trouble for covering that up for years. But they all did it.
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You want to scare yourself? Look up TSB's on American vehicles.
TSBs are not recalls. Let's get that straight. TSBs, (Technical Servcice Bulletins) are like extra pages for, say, your Haynes or Chiltons manual, except for dealer service techs and their factory service manuals.
Just because a Haynes manual for a car has information on how to repair every part of your car, doesn't mean you need to repair every part of your car. It merely shows you how to do it if you need to get to that part. Same for TSBs. In many cases, it's an update on the best way to service a vehicle. Tips and tricks found once a vehicle is actually being serviced, rather then designed. And they HAVE to cover every single component of a car, just like the factory service manual was supposed to.
Nothing.
TSBs are not recalls. Let's get that straight. TSBs, (Technical Servcice Bulletins) are like extra pages for, say, your Haynes or Chiltons manual, except for dealer service techs and their factory service manuals.
Just because a Haynes manual for a car has information on how to repair every part of your car, doesn't mean you need to repair every part of your car. It merely shows you how to do it if you need to get to that part. Same for TSBs. In many cases, it's an update on the best way to service a vehicle. Tips and tricks found once a vehicle is actually being serviced, rather then designed. And they HAVE to cover every single component of a car, just like the factory service manual was supposed to.
Recalls are something else entirely.
TSBs are also issued in recognition of pattern failures and contain specific procedures to make the repairs. Most include part numbers and labor times.
They may also be issued for updated information such as an improved trans fluid or an updated part number.
TSBs are also issued in recognition of pattern failures and contain specific procedures to make the repairs. Most include part numbers and labor times.
They may also be issued for updated information such as an improved trans fluid or an updated part number.
Which is pretty much what I said. They are very different than recalls.
Toyota had a clear quality advantage for a while and you pay a premium for that. This is why they are VERY sensitive about anything that tarnishes that reputation.
However, in recent years Toyota's quality has slipped a bit while most every other manufacturer has improved. Are they still the quality leader? Probably....but the gap isn't quite so big and there is a lot of competion so is it worth the "premium"?
Why has their quality slipped?
1. New models, have to work through the bugs.
2. New production lines and centers due to having to make more cars...ditto with working out the bugs.
3. More features. When you have power nothing and make cars in a couple colors there isn't a lot that can go wrong with a car. Now you see more with the heated seats, sun roof, power windows etc etc.
There is a plethora of available quality rating information out there that backs this up.
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