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Old 07-20-2013, 09:58 PM
 
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Toyota has a long way to go with crash test performance in the new "small overlap" crash tests from the IIHS. There cars are doing well in the moderate overlap test, but in the small overlap, their cars are doing terrible. Honda has good performers in this test, as well as Subaru. The bad part is that some of Toyotas latest designs are performing poorly... the new Camry and new RAV4 are included. I hope the new '14 Corolla will perform better in this test when Toyota sees how poorly these models are doing. I am not sure how well the Avalon would perform. It is not just Toyota either... many other makes are performing poorly in this test, but over the years they will improve. This was the case in 1995 when IIHS started the moderate overlap crash test... very few cars did well in that test... today all cars do fine in that test... this is why IIHS has moved on to this new small overlap test.

The latest Camry...
IIHS-HLDI: Toyota Camry
Direct link to crash video...
2012 Toyota Camry small overlap test - YouTube

The latest RAV4...
IIHS-HLDI: Toyota RAV4
Direct link to crash video...
2013 Toyota RAV4 small overlap IIHS crash test - YouTube

The Prius...
IIHS-HLDI: Toyota Prius v
Direct link to crash video...
2012 Toyota Prius v small overlap test - YouTube

Honda in comparison... both the new Accord and Civic earn good ratings in this test...

The latest Accord (earned a good rating)...
IIHS-HLDI: Honda Accord 4-door
Direct link to crash video...
2013 Honda Accord 4-door small overlap test - YouTube

The latest Civic (earned a good rating)...
IIHS-HLDI: Honda Civic 4-door
Direct link to crash video...
2013 Honda Civic 4-door small overlap test - YouTube

Subaru has earned good ratings as well...

The latest Forester (performed well!)
IIHS-HLDI: Subaru Forester
Direct link to crash video...
2014 Subaru Forester small overlap test - YouTube

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Old 07-20-2013, 10:15 PM
 
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I seriously doubt anybody will use these tests in their determining the cars they buy. Most folks have credit issues these days and about 70% of the folks walking in dealerships are just hoping they can actually buy something, anything. Those with decent credit are going to buy usually due to ownership brand loyalty. Those that don't, just see themselves in a particular car and that's what they buy. Rarely will someone gravitate to a Toyota, GM, or Ford because of supposed retained value.
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Old 07-20-2013, 10:31 PM
 
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I seriously doubt anybody will use these tests in their determining the cars they buy. Most folks have credit issues these days and about 70% of the folks walking in dealerships are just hoping they can actually buy something, anything. Those with decent credit are going to buy usually due to ownership brand loyalty. Those that don't, just see themselves in a particular car and that's what they buy. Rarely will someone gravitate to a Toyota, GM, or Ford because of supposed retained value.
Wrong!
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Old 07-20-2013, 10:36 PM
 
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Consumers still see Toyotas as safe and reliable cars, despite any struggles they've had since '10.


Toyota is shooting for 10 million sales by 2015 and overtook top spot in sales.
Toyota recaptures global auto sales title - Jan. 28, 2013
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Old 07-20-2013, 10:57 PM
 
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Personally, I would not buy a new Toyota like this with the poor ratings (and I have been a fan of Toyota for years). I am sure they are still safe cars (they all do very well in the moderate overlap) and safer than they were years ago, but there are good performing cars in this test (obviously, as we seen Honda and Subaru), so I would look for one of those before getting one that would not perform well in this test.

That Prius was terrible... the tire went into the passenger compartment... and the RAV4, that steering wheel was spinning like a tire and the head didn't even hit the airbag.
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Old 07-20-2013, 10:58 PM
 
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Toyota has a long way to go with crash test performance in the new "small overlap" crash tests from the IIHS. There cars are doing well in the moderate overlap test, but in the small overlap, their cars are doing terrible. Honda has good performers in this test, as well as Subaru. The bad part is that some of Toyotas latest designs are performing poorly... the new Camry and new RAV4 are included. I hope the new '14 Corolla will perform better in this test when Toyota sees how poorly these models are doing. I am not sure how well the Avalon would perform. It is not just Toyota either... many other makes are performing poorly in this test, but over the years they will improve. This was the case in 1995 when IIHS started the moderate overlap crash test... very few cars did well in that test... today all cars do fine in that test... this is why IIHS has moved on to this new small overlap test.

The latest Camry...
IIHS-HLDI: Toyota Camry
Direct link to crash video...
2012 Toyota Camry small overlap test - YouTube

The latest RAV4...
IIHS-HLDI: Toyota RAV4
Direct link to crash video...
2013 Toyota RAV4 small overlap IIHS crash test - YouTube

The Prius...
IIHS-HLDI: Toyota Prius v
Direct link to crash video...
2012 Toyota Prius v small overlap test - YouTube

Honda in comparison... both the new Accord and Civic earn good ratings in this test...

The latest Accord (earned a good rating)...
IIHS-HLDI: Honda Accord 4-door
Direct link to crash video...
2013 Honda Accord 4-door small overlap test - YouTube

The latest Civic (earned a good rating)...
IIHS-HLDI: Honda Civic 4-door
Direct link to crash video...
2013 Honda Civic 4-door small overlap test - YouTube

Subaru has earned good ratings as well...

The latest Forester (performed well!)
IIHS-HLDI: Subaru Forester
Direct link to crash video...
2014 Subaru Forester small overlap test - YouTube
Using absolutes and superlatives is stupid. Not all Toyotas do so bad in the small overlap. Just like not ALL suabrus and hondas do good in them.
Really good way of being safe. Open your eyes and dont run into sh it like a retard. Theres an absolute for ya.
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Old 07-20-2013, 11:09 PM
 
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I haven't seen any new Toyota's crashed in this test yet that received a good rating. There may be one out there that would do well, but I don't think it has been tested. I mentioned that it was not only Toyota that had bad performing cars in this test... not even all Hondas did well, but at least Honda and Subaru have several models that did well in this test... Toyota does not. Hopefully that will change.

Here is a list of the mid-size cars that have been tested...
IIHS-HLDI

This Suzuki Kizashi did well as well...

IIHS-HLDI: Suzuki Kizashi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoLSu...ature=youtu.be

The new Lexus ES350 did poorly (this is an 07-12 design)... (now who is to say, the LS may do excellent in this test and being an $80K+ car, I would hope it would be.


2012 Lexus ES 350 small overlap test - YouTube

In comparison... the Acura TL did well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDJFwtw8L0g

It is clear that Toyota has to work to do.
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Old 07-20-2013, 11:17 PM
 
Location: Twin Lakes /Taconic / Salisbury
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The brain power wasted by those that actually do worry about such specific tests probally have much more mundane things to worry about. Like not sticking their tongue in a electrical socket.
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Old 07-20-2013, 11:24 PM
 
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Yeah I would say so.

I wonder if my uncles friend whose wife was sadly killed in a crash like this about 3 years ago when her Kia Soul hit a tree (a hit just like this test) and caved into the passenger cage and killed her thought the same thing?

If someone doesn't worry about safety, then they probably have no brain power imo. Get real here.

All I am saying is that Toyota needs to improve on how their safety cages perform in this particular test... its clear it can be done considering others do well in this test. I am sure that in time they will, so there should be no argument. The IIHS thought these tests were important enough and care about peoples safety, you shouldn't more-less call them morons. They could save someones life in a crash in the future by making cars safer and safer... maybe someone you know. The car companies also take heed... when the see these tests, they improve their cars. Like I said, in '95, very few cars did well in the moderate off-set test... now all cars do well in it.

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Old 07-20-2013, 11:24 PM
 
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Default I Wonder...

Were any of the IIHS small overlap crash tests, survivable, with any of the cars that were tested?
I'm having issues with Youtube, and can't watch the vids on this PC.
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