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I have no desire to convince people toyotas are no longer reliable, I am trying to convince people that they no longer stand behind their product, if they do find a problem they will not fix it, even if you have a comprehensive warranty.
Toyota Motor Manufacturing is not the same as "Charlie's Toyota." Your issues seem to be with the local franchise.
Oil is relatively cheap. By a carton of it and top off as needed.
A quart every 2,500 miles is nothing in 100,000 miles you'll spend <$60 assuming you do oil changes every 5,000 miles and add a quart at the 2,500 mile mark.
It's annoying but provided the rest of the car works well I wouldn't dream of getting rid of it. I had a car that once burned a quart every 600-800 miles depending on speed. THAT was annoying. It was a VW, also bought used. FWIW we drove it 60,000 miles and when sold it still ran fine. Just burned oil.
Have you done a compression test? Do they fall within standards? If not you may have a case of a rebuild or replacement.
The original dealer is more than an hour away one way. We tried contacting them and they told us we needed to do the consumption test there, they dont care we live so far away. I did the consumption test at the "local" dealership 35 minutes away (one way).
I have no desire to convince people toyotas are no longer reliable, I am trying to convince people that they no longer stand behind their product, if they do find a problem they will not fix it, even if you have a comprehensive warranty.
What car manufacturer actually does stand behind their product. I promise you that if you had the same problem with any others, you would get the same result.
To be perfectly clear, my car is burning about 2 quarts of oil every 5k miles. I didnt state it was burning more than 1 quart every 1200 miles, i said toyota considers that acceptable now.
Again this is perfectly normal for any brand. In fact some will be jealous with your numbers!
We had a corolla that did not burn any oil at all and ran over 250K when we sold it without any problems. Now we have 2 camry hybrids one with the same gas engine as yours and a newer one. 2007 one burns oil and it goes like from the max to halfway between max and min in about 5K miles. This is a bit annoying but car has been super reliable except a water pump change so I don't mind burning this much (or even more) oil.
Bottom line is - I see you don't like this but this is no reason to start a thread titled "Do not buy a toyota".
What car manufacturer actually does stand behind their product. I promise you that if you had the same problem with any others, you would get the same result.
And somehow people have become to accept this as the status quo.
Start a consumption test with the Toyota dealer. 1200 miles later drive to half a mile away from the dealer, pull over to a side street and drain some oil out or siphon some oil out, just enough. Complete the drive to the dealer. Claim approved.
Again this is perfectly normal for any brand. In fact some will be jealous with your numbers!
We had a corolla that did not burn any oil at all and ran over 250K when we sold it without any problems. Now we have 2 camry hybrids one with the same gas engine as yours and a newer one. 2007 one burns oil and it goes like from the max to halfway between max and min in about 5K miles. This is a bit annoying but car has been super reliable except a water pump change so I don't mind burning this much (or even more) oil.
Bottom line is - I see you don't like this but this is no reason to start a thread titled "Do not buy a toyota".
Cars burning oil regularly hasn't been acceptable since the 70s.
Find me a mechanic that doesnt work for Toyota or a major dealership that agrees that cars burning 2 quarts of oil in between changes is perfectly normal for an engine with less than 100k miles.
Start a consumption test with the Toyota dealer. 1200 miles later drive to half a mile away from the dealer, pull over to a side street and drain some oil out or siphon some oil out, just enough. Complete the drive to the dealer. Claim approved.
they actually mark the oil fill cap, and the drain plug to make sure people do not do that. Tells the service tech to do it in big red letters in the service bulletin.
Trying to convince people that Toyotas aren't generally and mostly very reliable cars is like trying to convince people that they don't need air the breathe.
You had a bad experience. The emphasis is "you" and not most people.
Internet knowledge is usually little more than a few people who repeated information until someone comes along and thinks 100 links equal facts.
Start tracking down link and you'll find most are just one or very few different sources and most of them just personal experience, not widespread patterns.
As someone who actively follows vehicle quality across the width of the auto industry you are completely correct that anecdotal evidence is just that.
In general though, the major quality measures have shown that Toyota has slipped a little bit while the domestics have improved (especially Ford). While Toyota is still amongst the best, their expanded production, new models etc. have (as expected) drug at their quality.
So, my personal advice to ANYBODY looking for a car is to buy on model and not brand loyalty and if you are buying a Toyota you may be paying a bit of a premium for the quality factor which may not be as big as it once was.
This coming from someone that has purchased a Kia, Ford, GM, Toyota and another Ford product over the past 6 years so I'm not some brand loyalist trying to kick Toyota in the shins.
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