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Old 04-29-2014, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Indiana
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Did I mention that 9 of the 10 best-selling vehicles in the nation's largest automobile market last year consisted of nine products from foreign automakers, and one product from a domestic automaker (Ford's F-150 pickup)?

Actually the Fusion, Escape, Silverado and F-150 were all top ten best selling models last year. That's four
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Old 04-29-2014, 06:02 PM
 
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Toyota was costing California? You mean 4000 people living there, spending there, paying income, real estate, sales and who knows what other taxes was costing California? This good riddance attitude I am hearing from some is precisely why companies are leaving. They are not appreciated and these kind of sentiments are proof.
How much have the shipyards at Navy Yard cost Pennsylvania?

How much has Comcast squeezed out of the state and city?

If you're talking a small subsidy to move (or to keep) a few thousand, high wage, R&D type jobs where the workers are pulling in high salaries then it might be worth it to pony up.

But to concede $100s of millions for a few thousand relatively low wage jobs (less than $50k/yr) - no, it isn't worth it. And if you think it is - it's only because you don't understand anything about taxes and/or state and local government.

Those workers still need to get to work on a highway or on a train. They still have to send their kids to school, still need emergency services, still get to write off most of their tax burden, etc, etc. The reason we have crumbling schools, bridges that fall down, towns that lay off their teachers, cops, and firefighters and why taxes are so high for those of us who day pay is because too many companies and too many people are finding ways to get out of paying taxes.
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Old 04-29-2014, 06:05 PM
 
Location: plano
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I agree stay firm who needs these companies any way
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Old 04-29-2014, 07:20 PM
 
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Another thought. When these companies leave and move to low wage states, these states give them incredible tax incentives, pay for all infrastructure required, etc. Then the state/Feds pick up the costs for addition schools, Police, Fire Dept, etc because of limited to no taxes by the Corporations. Who pays for this? House taxes, sales tax, tolls every where in Texas, etc.
I was not aware Ohio and New York are low wage states.

New York State is running tv commercials trying to entice businesses to move there by not having to pay taxes for 10 years.
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Old 04-29-2014, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Not one mention of how many moved into California, or new startups.


An article intended to create a perception people are leaving California in droves, and yet the population continues to rise. There are more people moving to the state than leaving. This would be unlike states with cities like Detroit where this cities greatest population was in 1950. Today, that city has lost more than 60% of its population causing havoc to government budgets as corporation outsource jobs.
Civic Report 71 | The Great California Exodus: A Closer Look
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Old 04-29-2014, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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"it"? oh...you mean people wanting decent schools, public transportation, well maintained roads, etc.?

yeah...it happens.

the reason why states like Texas, Nevada, and Arizona are getting these factories and plants is because their land is dirt cheap compared to economically developed states like California. Sure, regulatory environment comes into play...and states like Texas, Nevada, and Arizona are still relative blank slates. But as more and more businesses come in and people locally are adversely impacted by the actions of those companies, you can be darn sure regulations will be put into place there as well. You think people like getting woken up by exploding fertilizer plants and such?
That's was not what I was talking about, but this: they create all kinds of laws, tax all day, and spend all night. Then when broke they move into other places where they set roots, create new laws, tax all day, and spend all night. In other words, they turn the new place into the same mess they left behind.
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Old 04-29-2014, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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That's was not what I was talking about, but this: they create all kinds of laws, tax all day, and spend all night. Then when broke they move into other places where they set roots, create new laws, tax all day, and spend all night. In other words, they turn the new place into the same mess they left behind.
Funny too hear when California tax dollars support welfare states like Alaska that get more federal dollars than they pay. How can someone complain when their own state is on the dole? Alaska gets $1.84 for every 1 it pays. You can thank me later.
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Old 04-29-2014, 08:34 PM
 
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Funny too hear when California tax dollars support welfare states like Alaska that get more federal dollars than they pay. How can someone complain when their own state is on the dole? Alaska gets $1.84 for every 1 it pays. You can thank me later.
Alaska's economy is greatly restricted by the federal government because it owns so much of the land. Also, while Alaskans support more drilling on the north shore, the environmental lobby influences the congress to repeatedly block more oil production.
If the feds are going to repeatedly restrict Alaska's private economy, then they should subsidize them more.
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Old 04-29-2014, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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Alaska's economy is greatly restricted by the federal government because it owns so much of the land. Also, while Alaskans support more drilling on the north shore, the environmental lobby influences the congress to repeatedly block more oil production.
If the feds are going to repeatedly restrict Alaska's private economy, then they should subsidize them more.
Mississippi, and New Mexico get over $2 per $1 paid. Do you have an excuse for them too? Amazing that the Federal government has input about land owned by them? So, you're saying that a population of less than 1 million should be allowed to do as they see fit on federal land? These citizens get checks annually from the fed, so where's my check? I have to mail the fed a check quarterly.
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Old 04-29-2014, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Funny too hear when California tax dollars support welfare states like Alaska that get more federal dollars than they pay. How can someone complain when their own state is on the dole? Alaska gets $1.84 for every 1 it pays. You can thank me later.
And there is a good reason for it: Over 60% of Alaska belongs to the Federal Government. Alaskans can't just go out there and trample over Federal, Indian, and Native lands. Also, the Federal Government spends huge amounts of cash on itself for your protection. I am not going into details, but look into the Missile Defense Shield and the high number of military installations and activities in and around the coastal areas of Alaska.

Take a look and learn something:
http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/291...ands-in-the-us

And then compare the following acreage versus your State:
https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42346.pdf
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