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Toyota builds the best cars in the world. If looks are the main criteria for buying a car, look elsewhere. Those who value reliability, and dependability foremost will continue to buy Toyotas.
I bought my FINAL new Detroit 3 heap in 1990. I had more troubles in the first month with that POS than my 1993 Nissan truck has given me in seventeen years! My 2005 Corolla has given me five years of TOTALLY trouble free service.
Toyota builds the best cars in the world. If looks are the main criteria for buying a car, look elsewhere. Those who value reliability, and dependability foremost will continue to buy Toyotas.
I bought my FINAL new Detroit 3 heap in 1990. I had more troubles in the first month with that POS than my 1993 Nissan truck has given me in seventeen years! My 2005 Corolla has given me five years of TOTALLY trouble free service.
You do realize that quite a few people have the opposite experience... good service from their American cars and poor service from their Toyotas or other import?
BTW, your claim that Toyota builds the "best cars in the world" is just that, a claim, not a fact.
If you think Americans on an assembly line do not take any pride in their work, it makes me wonder if you do a very good job at your work?
I could say the same to him.
Working in Orlando which is a tourist city, I have met several employees of the American car companies, Chrysler even has a massive parts warehouse here in Orlando near the airport. Those people were some of the happiest people I have ever met, and they do take pride in their cars they build/sell/fix whatever
Toyota builds the best cars in the world. If looks are the main criteria for buying a car, look elsewhere. Those who value reliability, and dependability foremost will continue to buy Toyotas.
I bought my FINAL new Detroit 3 heap in 1990. I had more troubles in the first month with that POS than my 1993 Nissan truck has given me in seventeen years! My 2005 Corolla has given me five years of TOTALLY trouble free service.
This is why I was recently test driving a Corolla LE. While thinking it over, the reports of runaway acceleration began to come to light. If they actually fix the problem I'd consider the Corolla again.
About $50 a month. Or it did for me. About the same as my Rogue.
Gosh, that's so unaffordable.
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm
Americans want boring. Anything too flashy only sells a few thousand units car makers think in terms of millions of units. Bottom feeder econoboxes outsell everything else but pickups and SUV's rule because they still squeeze through DOT loopholes that allow them to cost less than they should and that is all Joe American cares about.
Actually, they don't sell in mass volume because they are usually wildly impractical. I loved my 350Z (and yes, I know it's a Nissan, but the point remains the same.) because it just wasn't practical anymore. I have two big dogs and it just wasn't working.
Your "point" also ignores that these sports cars aren't cheap. A new 370Z, nicely-equipped, runs about $36K - $40K. That's a pretty hefty bill for an impractical "want" car. Automakers know this going in. Those RWD, turbo-charged sports cars exist to help the image of the brand and to draw enthusiasts who then might purchase something else as their practical car. I loved my 350Z and it was a great car, so when I needed to replace it, I went and bought another Nissan. And I am probably going to go buy another one this summer. And then when I am out of school, I will probably buy another Z car.
Toyota needs to have something to offer to people looking for fun.
Toyota builds the best cars in the world. If looks are the main criteria for buying a car, look elsewhere. Those who value reliability, and dependability foremost will continue to buy Toyotas.
I bought my FINAL new Detroit 3 heap in 1990. I had more troubles in the first month with that POS than my 1993 Nissan truck has given me in seventeen years! My 2005 Corolla has given me five years of TOTALLY trouble free service.
Looks? I'm hanged if I can tell a Camry from an Accord. I have owned in this order: 280Z, Aerostar, Civic Wagon, Cavalier, Civic Wagon. The first Civic was stolen and the Cavalier was totaled in a rear end collision at a stoplight. Even though I enjoyed the Honda products I question the system that allows it to be possible. GM is not selling more cars to the Chinese than to Americans! Honda is likely selling more cars to Americans than to its own Japanese. This should bother you. It should bother us all. Trade between nations should consist of intrinsic products (native foods, spices, precious stones... oil) and intellectual property only. The knee jerk "buy American" is no solution. There needs to be systemic regulation from the top that does not pit the consumer against their conscience in a moral dilemma. I only rent cars these days and I only rent at the lowest end. Whatever is available at the $35/dy price is what I get into. I love the Toyota Yaris, the Chevy Cobalt, the Kia Reo. All are fun, capable cars and presumably cost similarly. Honestly, I don't think Enterprise or Hertz or myself for that matter should have the choice to buy cars by Japanese automakers. The Cobalt, or similar products from Ford and Chrysler should be the only choices available to an American shopper.
Can't say that I've ever liked or would own ANY asian OEM vehicle. There are maybe a couple of exceptions. Subaru Impreza WRX , Nissan 350Z... thats about it. Now if we are talking German OEM , well that's a different story. For trucks though... the Det. 3 are the only ones that will get my money.
My last roommate had a 1986 Toyota 4X4 pickup with the 22rte turbo motor. Even with a boost controller, he could not outrun (or even keep up with) my crappy base model Ford Escort. Really, it was a very forgettable motor IMO. My 1988 Supra Turbo with the 7MGTE was a whole different story.
then again neither your escort or celica supra could ford 3'+ of water at 12psi of boost, just beggin jeeps to follow LOL, still remember the 1/8 mile was around 12 seconds at 89mph or something like that lol
Looks? I'm hanged if I can tell a Camry from an Accord. I have owned in this order: 280Z, Aerostar, Civic Wagon, Cavalier, Civic Wagon. The first Civic was stolen and the Cavalier was totaled in a rear end collision at a stoplight. Even though I enjoyed the Honda products I question the system that allows it to be possible. GM is not selling more cars to the Chinese than to Americans! Honda is likely selling more cars to Americans than to its own Japanese. This should bother you. It should bother us all. Trade between nations should consist of intrinsic products (native foods, spices, precious stones... oil) and intellectual property only. The knee jerk "buy American" is no solution. There needs to be systemic regulation from the top that does not pit the consumer against their conscience in a moral dilemma. I only rent cars these days and I only rent at the lowest end. Whatever is available at the $35/dy price is what I get into. I love the Toyota Yaris, the Chevy Cobalt, the Kia Reo. All are fun, capable cars and presumably cost similarly. Honestly, I don't think Enterprise or Hertz or myself for that matter should have the choice to buy cars by Japanese automakers. The Cobalt, or similar products from Ford and Chrysler should be the only choices available to an American shopper.
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I think it is clear you don't really like cars. That's OK. The Aerostar was a terrible minivan and an example of Ford's worst engineering. Nothing wrong with liking small inexpensive cars - but the Yaris, Cobalt, and Rio are all below average in their class. The Honda Fit is the first choice here.
Trade between nations should be intrinsic products (natural resources?) and IP only? So every country should only buy raw materials from each and manufacture what they need?
American car makers are in their current situation not because of competition from Japanese makers. The Big 3 are suffering from decades of complacent leadership, poor labor management, and relying on a buyer loyalty for too long.
I have never seen a Toyota like that before. It probably was a Japanese only model.
A convertible version of this car was featured in the James Bond movie You Only Live Twice.
It is a beautiful car of the era.
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Really, it was a very forgettable motor IMO. My 1988 Supra Turbo with the 7MGTE was a whole different story.
