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Old 08-05-2010, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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And I am very well aware of what will inflame the local residents .
An Iranian who planned to visit the US, determined to wear his Ahmadinejad T-shirt, would not sound convincing if he said "I am very well aware of what will inflame the local residents". I strongly suspect that you are not well aware at all, but the local residents have been too polite to tell you if you are insulting their sensitivities.

If you offend just one local resident, by intentionally and pointedly doing something that might, you are showing an 'ugly American' insensitivity.
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Old 08-05-2010, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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I strongly suspect that you are not well aware at all, but the local residents have been too polite to tell you if you are insulting their sensitivities.

If you offend just one local resident, by intentionally and pointedly doing something that might, you are showing an 'ugly American' insensitivity.
LOL. I think he is very aware of the locals and how he can act around them if he has been there many times. If you go to a Muslim country and offend people you WILL KNOW IT. Your first clue will be the mob running toward you shouting "death to the infidel". Not subtle, that.
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Old 08-05-2010, 07:36 PM
 
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An Iranian who planned to visit the US, determined to wear his Ahmadinejad T-shirt, would not sound convincing if he said "I am very well aware of what will inflame the local residents". I strongly suspect that you are not well aware at all, but the local residents have been too polite to tell you if you are insulting their sensitivities.

If you offend just one local resident, by intentionally and pointedly doing something that might, you are showing an 'ugly American' insensitivity.
That's clearly uncalled for! I'm going to wear an olive drab tshirt, or a firemans tshirt, and the classifies me as an ugly american? The fact that I don't hide that I am american you think will offend local residents?
My point was made in the post right before yours above.

You are defending your point, which has been disputed by at least 3 here, I understand that, but don't attack me in the process.
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Old 08-05-2010, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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That's clearly uncalled for! I'm going to wear an olive drab tshirt, or a firemans tshirt, and the classifies me as an ugly american? The fact that I don't hide that I am american you think will offend local residents?
My point was made in the post right before yours above.

You are defending your point, which has been disputed by at least 3 here, I understand that, but don't attack me in the process.
You said "I plan to wear some sort of US military related Tshirt."

Proudly beating the drum to glorify the people who invaded Vietnam, Iraq, Panama, Grenada, and the aspirin factory in Sudan is not high on the list of things that will endear you to people outside the USA.
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Old 08-05-2010, 08:05 PM
 
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Egypt being a strict military/police state has it's advantagies to a tourist. The government of Egypt does not take radical islamic terrorism lightly - those accused of such usually end up in a damp egyptian cell with electodes hooked up to their private areas, or the egyptian police "getting medieval on them" with pliers.
Yup! 'Tis a great motivation to locals when so much of the Egypt's GDP is based on tourism... mess with the tourists and you will be tortured and imprisoned.
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Old 08-05-2010, 08:09 PM
 
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That's clearly uncalled for! I'm going to wear an olive drab tshirt, or a firemans tshirt, and the classifies me as an ugly american?
Don't worry, jtur88 is obsessively caught up in this weird notion that all Americans except him are somehow ugly/naive/ignorant/obnoxious/closed-minded etc. and loves any opportunity to jump into that mode and start lecturing.

You'll be fine, and I'm sure you knew that better than he does.
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Old 08-06-2010, 07:22 AM
 
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Don't worry, jtur88 is obsessively caught up in this weird notion that all Americans except him are somehow ugly/naive/ignorant/obnoxious/closed-minded etc. and loves any opportunity to jump into that mode and start lecturing.
Yeah, I kind of got the gist of where he was coming from with his last comments on his last post. Commenting on his negative statement about our military "glorify the people who invaded Vietnam, Iraq, Panama, Grenada, and the aspirin factory in Sudan" is beyond the scope of this thread.
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Old 08-06-2010, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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Proudly beating the drum to glorify the people who invaded Vietnam, Iraq, Panama, Grenada, and the aspirin factory in Sudan is not high on the list of things that will endear you to people outside the USA.
Oh, so you're one of those. Hey, if the USA was the sort of Imperialistic, Nation-conquering, colony-building monster that you see to see it as then we'd have 150 states by now. Instead, we see thriving Democracies and thriving economies everywhere we'd gone to liberate people from oprpession (Japan, Germany, Panama, Grenada, Vietnam[not a Democracy but a thriving economy]).
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Old 08-06-2010, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Oh, so you're one of those. Hey, if the USA was the sort of Imperialistic, Nation-conquering, colony-building monster that you see to see it as then we'd have 150 states by now. Instead, we see thriving Democracies and thriving economies everywhere we'd gone to liberate people from oprpession (Japan, Germany, Panama, Grenada, Vietnam[not a Democracy but a thriving economy]).
Of all the countries in which the US has been in an armed engagement since 1950, how many of them have you visited? (This is a travel forum, right?) Of all the countries that are now communist or ever have been, how many have you visited? Are you sure you know what their attitudes are about America and its military adventures and its ideas about freedom?

What was the last thing you did that a, say, Vietnamese citizen would have been prohibited from doing because their country is not a "democracy"---besides vote in an election that conservatives think has populated our government with virtual dictators "running our lives".

Are you a "conservative" who wants to "liberalize" Iran? How does that work?

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Old 08-06-2010, 12:35 PM
 
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Of all the countries in which the US has been in an armed engagement since 1950, how many of them have you visited?
I've been to both Vietnam and Panama in within the last five years. If count China since we fought them in Korea then I guess I've recently been to three countries we've had armed conflict with.

I'd agree with Dd714, he'll be fine.

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that conservatives think has populated our government with virtual dictators "running our lives". Are you a "conservative" who wants to "liberalize" Iran? How does that work?
Jesus Christ this isn't the politics forum, it's bad enough you constantly pollute threads with your misguided know-it-all bigoted American bashing, now you're going to start throwing politics into it?

You know what I've found common? The traveler who thinks he knows everything and has been seen everything doesn't know **** and ain't seen ****.
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