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Old 02-09-2016, 12:31 PM
 
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If it isn't already. But I (who did not make it there until '06) loved it.
Turkey is similar. Both are EU candidates.

I don't think of Italy when I think of Europe. I'm not sure what I think of, other than my kids, who both live there. But I understand that people seek hospitality, warmth, interesting scenery and delicious food, and Italy has all that.

Yes. And as you agreed with Mr. Rational, clichés develop for reason.
There is only one Venice, only one Berlin Wall, and there is no other place where you can find the treasures in the Prado.

Still, some people strive to find that unbeaten path and/or be a part of the vanguard at the frontier. That way they (supposedly) hang out with locals, have a more "authentic" experience, and do not rub shoulders so much with other tourists. To some degree, I can understand this, I do not seek a sanitized Disney experience. But the posturing can be funny: I'm sure that Burgler is right in that some folks do not want to appear predictable.

On a backpacking forum I go to, there was once an older guy from Fodor's who hung out there, trying to detect the next trendy backpacking spot.
Backpackers often tend to be just as much of a herd as the stereotypical loud, overfed tourist.
On top destinations:

It's true, of course, that these places have the world-renowned sights that keep drawing the big crowds. And it's also true that there is a certain sanitized, "Disney" atmosphere that develops to service those big crowds. It's not so much the place (Paris, Rome, Cairo) as it is the sights (Louvre, Colisseum, Pyramids).

On the backpacker circuit:

The crowds are not as big, but just as overwhelming. These places, too, have great sights, and they are overwhelmed by a crowd with a different travel style, but a similar approach.

On the (relatively) unbeaten path:

It's out there, and it's a little different in approach. It exists most places, really--especially away from peak season. There is an unbeaten (by tourists) Paris (and Rome, and New York). There are destinations truly far from the tourist track (like Mongolia, Chad, Venezuela). The approach is something like this: "real" life in a very different place. A neighborhood restaurant, a local's market, and a room/apartment where ordinary people live. It appeals to some travelers.

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I think one of the main reasons why Italy is so heavily visited by Americans is because it has several large, cosmopolitan cities in close proximity to each other (Venice, Milan, Florence, Rome), all of which have an exceptional amount of historical interest. Large cities are easier for American tourists to visit and navigate, particularly since they are less likely to brave driving on Italian roads.

In my opinion, the touristiness of these major cities in northern Italy is a huge turn-off. It's too bad that American visitors rarely get a chance to go off the beaten path, but I understand the desire to see those cities when the opportunity arises.

Let's not forget that Italy is also generally cheaper than France, Germany, the UK and northern Europe, while not associated with the archaic stigma of a "developing" eastern Europe.
France and Italy are two of the world's most popular destinations because of Paris, Rome, Florence, and Venice. You could visit Nantes and Ragusa--still great for history and culture--and see relatively few tourists.

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The premise is way flawed given how many Americans visit places like London and Paris every year.

People can't see everything so they must choose something, especially Americans with relatively short annual vacation time and distance from Europe. So it kind of makes sense that people choose the same popular destinations where there are famous attractions and a strong tourism infrastructure.
Aside from international airports, tourism infrastructure is hardly lacking in other places. You'll find trains, roads, hotels/B&Bs, and restaurants/markets in less prominent destinations. They're just different. You'll find places to eat and stay in Paris' 20th Arrondisement, which is hardly lacking in infrastructure, but you'll be away from the crowds.
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Old 02-15-2016, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Poshawa, Ontario
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Italy isn't even in the top 5 of my list of places to visit in Europe.

1. Czech Republic.
2. Ireland (again!).
3. England.
4. Sweden.
5. Greece.


YMMV.
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Old 02-15-2016, 07:58 PM
 
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Aside from international airports, tourism infrastructure is hardly lacking in other places.
Well you just named one of the most important part of tourism infrastructure for Americans with shorter vacations that must fly to Europe.

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You'll find trains, roads, hotels/B&Bs, and restaurants/markets in less prominent destinations.
Really? Places outside of Paris/London/Rome have roads, hotels, and restaurants? I learn something new every day on here. I had always assumed that in smaller European cities people just travel across open fields in wagons and visitors must ask locals for permission to sleep in barns.
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Old 02-16-2016, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Brazil
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Because it's so beautiful and amazing.
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Old 02-18-2016, 05:27 PM
 
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I liked Italy when I was there. Traveling to northern Europe, I might as well not leave home if I was looking to vacation in a gloomy ****hole But really, most of northern Europe isn't too far off from the climate and feel of most of the states. I would go back to Austria again and that's about it. Any future vacation would definitely be planned around the Mediterranean coast whether that be Spain, Sardinia, Greece, etc.
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Old 02-18-2016, 05:35 PM
 
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I'd like to go to Greece.

Never been.
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Old 05-05-2018, 02:56 AM
 
Location: Switzerland/Ticino
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Go to visit Veneto Italy

In one our drive from Treviso you can see...:

Venice ( it was a touristic city before the word "tourist" was invented hundreds years ago )





Delta River Po'..





Villa Strà... ( and many others scattered around the Veneto )






Valdobbiadene ( Prosecco wine ) Treviso





City Wall Montagnana






Giotto "Scrovegni" Padua







Villa "La Rotonda" Vicenza... Andrea Palladio







Verona Ancient Roman arena







Garda Lake






Dolomites







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Old 05-06-2018, 01:15 AM
 
Location: Tulsa
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American tourists are generally pretty obnoxious and intolerant.
This isn't my experience with American tourists abroad.
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Old 05-06-2018, 02:44 PM
 
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There are so much beauty and diversity.
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Old 05-06-2018, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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. American tourists are generally pretty obnoxious and intolerant.
I agree and I'm american.

Every 5 second they have to take 10 pictues to share it on instagram.
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