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Old 04-19-2012, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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I need sincere info of those whom have actually traveled to the regions in question.

My interest of travel currently lie within the Northern Caucasus regions, which as most know; are still very volatile regions. Ossetia, Ingushetia, Georgia, and Chechnya (Grozny to be exact).

No I'm not a journalist.
No I'm not filming a documentary.
No I'm not looking to bring back a wife.

My interest are merely for my own information gathering and to actually learn first hand of the history and strife. Living in the states detaches us from many harsh realities and I'd simply like to know for myself whats happening.

I understand the risk involved.

Has anyone traveled here recently with success?

FYI, another fact I may mention is that I am a black american and I understand that my presence would appear suspicious but I'm simply hoping that I may travel (even if only for a few hours) to a few of these areas with minimal pushback from local governments as well as our own.

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Old 04-19-2012, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Texas
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You know, the Army will pay you to go to places like that. And, you can learn all you want to learn bout conflict and war.
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Old 04-19-2012, 11:06 PM
 
Location: Exton, Pennsylvania
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I can't help you with detailed answers to your travel questions but having been deployed to places outside the U.S., I admire your desire to see things for yourself. I think our country would be a much better place to live if everyone had a chance to see first hand how the rest of the world lives. The other first world countries don't count either, you have to get into second a third world countries to appreciate all that we take for granted. Good luck with your travels!
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Old 04-20-2012, 12:00 AM
 
Location: rain city
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I presume you have the appropriate visas?

Georgia should be the easiest of the bunch. It's an actual country with an actual administrative government.

Chechenya will be challenging. And dangerous. It will require a Russian visa (Chechenya is in Russia).

Ossetia, Ingushetia? Seriously? There is no rule of law and even their mayors/governors/chief bureaucrats are found gunned down by the side of the road and/or regularly firebombed. Good luck there.

There is currently no open border crossing between Russia and Georgia. This means no train, no plane, no boat, no bus, no nothing. This could be a problem for you.

And finally, in all of the mentioned places there are few foreigners and virtually no people of color. Keeping a low profile in the backround will be impossible.

There is no English in these places. I hope you read and speak Caucasus Russian, Cyrillic, and Georgian.


P.S. Credit cards will be all but useless in these places. Cash is king. Hope you feel comfortable traveling in one of the world's most dangerous regions with a goodly stash of cash on your person.

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Old 04-20-2012, 04:41 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I can't help you with detailed answers to your travel questions but having been deployed to places outside the U.S., I admire your desire to see things for yourself. I think our country would be a much better place to live if everyone had a chance to see first hand how the rest of the world lives. The other first world countries don't count either, you have to get into second a third world countries to appreciate all that we take for granted. Good luck with your travels!

I couldn't agree more with you and, in fact, wish it were somehow a mandatory part of a young persons education. I've always found that the most difficult people to talk to about politics or religion or even economics are those who have never left the comfort and security of the US and, no, a trip to a western enclave style resort doesn't count.

But, war tourist's leave me cold. They want to "experience" conflict by oohing and ahhing the misery of the people who live there, sort of like window-peeping at a funeral. Like their domestic counterparts, disaster tourists, they want to be a part of the action without really being a part of the action. Unlike the lab specimens they'll be viewing, they can leave any time they want and come home to regale their friends with tales of danger, while those other poor schmucks have to live in it every day.

I suppose if enough people become interested in war and conflict as a learning experience, we could even have chartered tours and bus loads of simpletons who pull up in the midst of a fire fight or act of genocide and reach for their cameras. Sort of like those tour busses which cruise the lower 9th ward in New Orleans or which chase tornadoes.
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Old 04-20-2012, 07:29 AM
 
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I couldn't agree more with you and, in fact, wish it were somehow a mandatory part of a young persons education. I've always found that the most difficult people to talk to about politics or religion or even economics are those who have never left the comfort and security of the US and, no, a trip to a western enclave style resort doesn't count.

But, war tourist's leave me cold. They want to "experience" conflict by oohing and ahhing the misery of the people who live there, sort of like window-peeping at a funeral. Like their domestic counterparts, disaster tourists, they want to be a part of the action without really being a part of the action. Unlike the lab specimens they'll be viewing, they can leave any time they want and come home to regale their friends with tales of danger, while those other poor schmucks have to live in it every day.

I suppose if enough people become interested in war and conflict as a learning experience, we could even have chartered tours and bus loads of simpletons who pull up in the midst of a fire fight or act of genocide and reach for their cameras. Sort of like those tour busses which cruise the lower 9th ward in New Orleans or which chase tornadoes.
This.

I'm sorry , OP , but I find your desire somewhat distasteful. There is something kinda goulish about wating to go to "experience" abject povery and misery.

ETA - Part of my feeling are as a former member of the military/married to and have many, many friends & family members in the military - I hate it when I read a story in the paper or hear of someone being deployed to "rescue" Americans from places they had no business being in the first place. (Tourists, not people who are ther to actually help rather than gawk)

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Old 04-20-2012, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Viña del Mar, Chile
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I never understood the need for someone to do this. Why do you want to go to a place where people are dying and in war? There's nothing cool or interesting about that, it is not something "everyone should experience".
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Old 04-21-2012, 01:08 PM
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Location: Eureka CA
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Check the US State Department website for frequent updates on travel hazards and advisories. I would wish you "Have a safe trip." but something tells me that's not what you're looking for.
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Old 04-21-2012, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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I couldn't agree more with you and, in fact, wish it were somehow a mandatory part of a young persons education. I've always found that the most difficult people to talk to about politics or religion or even economics are those who have never left the comfort and security of the US and, no, a trip to a western enclave style resort doesn't count.

But, war tourist's leave me cold. They want to "experience" conflict by oohing and ahhing the misery of the people who live there, sort of like window-peeping at a funeral. Like their domestic counterparts, disaster tourists, they want to be a part of the action without really being a part of the action. Unlike the lab specimens they'll be viewing, they can leave any time they want and come home to regale their friends with tales of danger, while those other poor schmucks have to live in it every day.

I suppose if enough people become interested in war and conflict as a learning experience, we could even have chartered tours and bus loads of simpletons who pull up in the midst of a fire fight or act of genocide and reach for their cameras. Sort of like those tour busses which cruise the lower 9th ward in New Orleans or which chase tornadoes.

This is on a more personal level than simply being a war tourist. There was Chechen immigrant who lived a in my subdivision. He lived with his son and her wife. Outside of my dad, this man has been the most influential person within my upbringing. He died from complication stemming from the conflicts prior to him immigrating.

Its far more crucial that I travel here than you, or anyone else could ever imagine.
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Old 04-21-2012, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Check the US State Department website for frequent updates on travel hazards and advisories. I would wish you "Have a safe trip." but something tells me that's not what you're looking for.
Not seeking blood, trying to find the rest of his family. I'm essentially at the point where I need hear their experiences first hand. Media outlets are always agenda driven and only dictate half truths.
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