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Old 09-06-2012, 02:38 AM
 
Location: classified
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Rochester is close enough to Minneapolis that many residents will prefer to just drive to MSP to take advantage of more flight options and cheaper fares. Even the Mayo Clinic operates a shuttle service from MSP to Rochester so patients going there to recieve treatment don't even have to fly to Rochester.
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Old 09-06-2012, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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If you are saying that only 71 people fly between Rochester, MN and Chicago everyday, I think the data you were looking at is wrong. American flies about 5 flights to and 5 flights from Chicago every day, and they use pretty large jets.

As for the new flights that you mentioned, Rochester is working on getting flights to Detroit and DFW. We had daily non-stop flights to Detroit until Pinnacle took over Mesaba Airlines. RST will also be getting nonstop flights to Phoenix soon. The airport is also working on getting flights to Atlanta and Denver, in addition to DFW. Frontier said that they would plan on coming to Rochester if the airport received a grant from the U.S. DOT. The airport did get the grant, and will use the money to recruit new airlines and get new destinations. The community really wants flights to Las Vegas and Orlando, as polls by local news stations have reported.

As for the market size, yes, it is a little small. However, it is, to use your words, begging for more airport service. The destinations are wanted for the residents of Rochester, but also for the nearly 3,000,000 annual visitors. And the city is also one of the fastest growing cities in the country, growing by about 25 percent last census, and it shows no signs of slowing down.
No, the data I'm looking at is not wrong. It's O&D data straight from he DOT.

O&D stands or origin and destination. It does not include connecting traffic. So that is how many people originate in Chicago and fly to Rochester. The five flights that American has are not just full of Chicago originating traffic.
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Old 09-06-2012, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Rochester, MN
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O&D stands or origin and destination. It does not include connecting traffic. So that is how many people originate in Chicago and fly to Rochester. The five flights that American has are not just full of Chicago originating traffic.
Thanks for explaining.
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Old 09-07-2012, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Old Hyde Park, Kansas City,MO
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How about Bloomington/Normal IL. There are some pretty large companies all HQ in the Central Illinois area like State Farms, CAT, ADM and there are about a Million people in the metros of Peoria, Decatur, Bloomington, Springfield and Champaign combined. All these metros are about an hours drive from Central Illinois Airport
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Old 09-07-2012, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Rochester, MN
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How about Bloomington/Normal IL. There are some pretty large companies all HQ in the Central Illinois area like State Farms, CAT, ADM and there are about a Million people in the metros of Peoria, Decatur, Bloomington, Springfield and Champaign combined. All these metros are about an hours drive from Central Illinois Airport
Looked up the Central Illinois Airport. It does need to be added to the list. There are no flights west of Denver. The airport could probably use flights to Las Vegas or Phoenix.
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:06 AM
 
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Look at the demographic visiting Branson. Branson isn't known for being high end, and the average visitor is looking for budget everything. The only carrier who might fit well with their demographic is SW. The others rely on their business traveler to subsidize those super low fares Ma & Pa are looking for, and there just isn't enough business travel heading to Branson.

As far as Rochester, MN, many of the patients at the Mayo clinic are within driving distance (generally seen as under six hours) so they aren't going to fly.

Bottom line, airlines are in the business of making money, and they aren't going to service airports where they can't do so. It should not be up to taxpayers to subsidize these airports/carriers in low performing markets. If people want more air service, they need to begin to fly more. Instead of driving six hours from Rochester to Chicago, fly. Once seats are filled to capacity on every flight, airlines will add more flights. But I think you know the answer. "Why would I spend $200 per ticket to fly my family of four to Chicago when we can drive for $150 r/t?" And that right there is why some of these cities don't deserve more service. The population simply won't support it.
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Old 09-10-2012, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Cleverly concealed
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Topeka's primary travel clientele comes from within the state, either by car or private jet. Beyond state government, there is not much need to travel to Topeka. MCI offers shuttle service to and from Topeka as well.
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Old 09-10-2012, 05:21 PM
 
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Looked up the Central Illinois Airport. It does need to be added to the list. There are no flights west of Denver. The airport could probably use flights to Las Vegas or Phoenix.
Yields to Las Vegas and Phoenix are terrible in general. An airline has probably looked at it and realized it is not profitable. The big airlines don't really like leisure travelers going to gamble or soak up the sun because they just hunt for the cheapest fare. They like business travelers that want the fully flexible fare with cancellations and pay $750 for a coach ticket at full fare. They don't want the family looking for $120 tickets ideally.

Also, a route might be profitable, but airlines only have so many aircraft in their fleet and they usually operate at full capacity. Their planes aren't just sitting around. SO the question is a route MORE profitable than the other routes in an airline's network. They don't just operate charity flights to make a place feel important.
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Old 09-10-2012, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Rochester, MN
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Yields to Las Vegas and Phoenix are terrible in general. An airline has probably looked at it and realized it is not profitable. The big airlines don't really like leisure travelers going to gamble or soak up the sun because they just hunt for the cheapest fare. They like business travelers that want the fully flexible fare with cancellations and pay $750 for a coach ticket at full fare. They don't want the family looking for $120 tickets ideally.
Allegiant Air's purpose is for people looking for the $120 ticket going to gamble or "soak up the sun".It seems to be a successful, fast growing airline. It goes to the smaller-sized or mid-sized cities that may not have enough nonstop destinations. The cities I am talking about don't need anything fancy like the $750 tickets.

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As far as Rochester, MN, many of the patients at the Mayo clinic are within driving distance (generally seen as under six hours) so they aren't going to fly.

Bottom line, airlines are in the business of making money, and they aren't going to service airports where they can't do so. It should not be up to taxpayers to subsidize these airports/carriers in low performing markets. If people want more air service, they need to begin to fly more. Instead of driving six hours from Rochester to Chicago, fly. Once seats are filled to capacity on every flight, airlines will add more flights. But I think you know the answer. "Why would I spend $200 per ticket to fly my family of four to Chicago when we can drive for $150 r/t?" And that right there is why some of these cities don't deserve more service. The population simply won't support it.
There are many cities smaller than Rochester that have many more destinations. When I made this thread, I didn't mean turn it into a huge hubs. I just meant add a few more destinations so that people didn't have to drive up to MSP or transfer at Chicago.

You said if they want more service, they will have to fly more. The residents of Rochester want more nonstop destinations, as a local news channel found in a poll. Current, people drive the distance to MSP so they don't have to deal with transferring, even though they would prefer to fly directly out of RST.

As for the population supporting more destinations, it is definitely possible. Most cities Rochester's size, or even half it's size, have more destinations and airlines. Another thing to consider is that Rochester is growing very quickly. All that RST needs is connections to more hubs or flights on a discount airline such as Allegiant.

As you stated, many of Rochester's visitors come from withing driving distance, but many come from long distances. Millions of people from across the country each year come to Rochester, and probably near a hundred thousand international visitors, or even more. Another thing that would be helpful is to connect the Mayo branch in Jacksonville to the main Mayo Clinic campus in Rochester. Flights from Rochester to Phoenix will be starting in November, so the branch in Phoenix and the main campus are connected.
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Idaho
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One of the biggest tourist attractions in the US, Yellowstone, lack a lot of commercial air travel nearby. Best options are Salt Lake City or Billings, which are both around 5 hours away. You can fly into Jackson, Wyoming...if you have an obscene amount of money to spend. Increasing flights to a place like Bozeman, MT or Idaho Falls, ID especially in the summer months could be very profitable.
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