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Old 02-16-2017, 08:04 PM
 
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A few rowhouses magazines keep showing don't make the "architecture" of SF that spectacular. Any mid sized city in Europe with more than 200,000 people have better "architecture" than SF. A nontourist city like Toulouse would easily beat SF in terms of architecture. BY FAR.

Scenary- you mean the oceans? I have seen so many coastal cities that can match or beat SF's scenery. It is really not that special whatsoever. Even a place like Marseilles has superior natural beauty than San Francisco.

Weather, well, each to its own, but SF has pretty good weather. But how many people really go visit a city just for the weather? Even Chicago and Boston have beautiful weather six months of the year. Weather is hardly a good reason to make a city so much more attractive for tourists, because you can always choose to visit cities during the pleasant season.

Arts, maybe, but honestly I don't know how many travellers travel because of art. yes, people go to museums but how many of them really know the good from the mediocre? 99% just nod along. Plus, San Francisco is really not one of the big guys in arts either, globally speaking.

In the pure US context, SF is not a bad place to go, because most American cities have horrible architecture and complete lack of interesting culture and SF has a good mixture of nature and urbanity. But people keep touting it as "exceptional" "different" as if it were some unique paradise, and I just can't agree.

SF is exactly what "overrated" means.
Certainly there are many in Europe that beat scenery of SF. But within America, it is hard to beat.
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Old 02-16-2017, 09:41 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Some places have an intangible 'vibe' that either you get it or you don't. San Francisco, Las Vegas, Santa Fe, New Orleans and Miami are popular with people probably beyond what one might expect if they just read about the places or did some type of forum comparison. I think it was 108 degrees last time I was in Las Vegas (for a meeting) but people seemed to be caught up in the spirit of the place and were having a good time.
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Old 02-16-2017, 11:19 PM
 
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yeah, just like the poverty and crimes in Detroit is a problem of their own making too.
I meant that the politics of the city encourages homelessness. Every small town mayor in the West knows that if they want to get rid of a homeless guy, they just buy them a one way ticket to San Francisco.
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Old 02-17-2017, 12:59 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Paris, Rome, New York, San Francisco, London overrated.... unbelievable! I just can't imagine what people expect them to be, perhaps clean theme parks?
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Old 02-17-2017, 04:05 AM
 
Location: Murrieta California
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Paris, Rome, New York, San Francisco, London overrated.... unbelievable! I just can't imagine what people expect them to be, perhaps clean theme parks?
Exactly.
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Old 02-17-2017, 06:52 AM
 
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Paris, Rome, New York, San Francisco, London overrated.... unbelievable! I just can't imagine what people expect them to be, perhaps clean theme parks?
don't put SF a long with Paris Rome and NY, it is insulting...
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Old 02-17-2017, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Murrieta California
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don't put SF a long with Paris Rome and NY, it is insulting...
That is just your very biased opinion which means nothing to anybody. San Francisco is unique just like the other cities are, each in their own way.
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Old 02-17-2017, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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declared dead once and went to heaven for awhile...meh
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Old 02-17-2017, 05:40 PM
 
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Certainly there are many in Europe that beat scenery of SF. But within America, it is hard to beat.
Which cities are these? From the Marin headlands I saw a pod of 60 humpback whales feeding near the entrance of the bay, jumping from the water with the golden gate bridge and city in the back. Where can you see that from any major European city?
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Old 02-17-2017, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Murrieta California
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Which cities are these? From the Marin headlands I saw a pod of 60 humpback whales feeding near the entrance of the bay, jumping from the water with the golden gate bridge and city in the back. Where can you see that from any major European city?
I agree with you. Botti has this hangup about urban density. He thinks everybody should live on top of each other in tiny little boxes likes ants in an anthill.

Not for me, my wife and I are very happy living in our 3,200 sq. ft. single story home with our own pool in the backyard.
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