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Old 02-14-2013, 07:46 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
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The decision to allow passengers to remain on a ship that was not able to provide basic living and sanitary requirements shows a complete and blatant disregard for the safety of the passengers.
Carnival had the option to send another ship to the scene and disembark the passengers but declined to do so most probably for financial reasons. Is putting the safety of passengers at risk for profit something that the management of Carnival should be held criminally neglegent for?
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Old 02-14-2013, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Savannah GA/Lk Hopatcong NJ
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The decision to allow passengers to remain on a ship that was not able to provide basic living and sanitary requirements shows a complete and blatant disregard for the safety of the passengers.
Carnival had the option to send another ship to the scene and disembark the passengers but declined to do so most probably for financial reasons. Is putting the safety of passengers at risk for profit something that the management of Carnival should be held criminally neglegent for?
Excuse my ignorance but just how do you disembark 4000 passengers in the middle of the ocean?
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Old 02-14-2013, 08:42 AM
 
Location: MMU->ABE->ATL->ASH
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I wonder if somewhere in Bermuda maritime law there is something that can charge them? Odd are there are not.

Did Carnival have a ship that was that they could have canceled the next cycle on? How long would it take to get the empty ship there? The thought of moving 4,000 people thru a gang way between to ships would scare me.

Carnival did have another ship (not sure if was one of theres) that was near by tie off to them and transfer supplies, and med-e-vac a passenger off that ship to the other ship.

But that other ship was also full, so even if they could move 4000 people to it, there would be no where for them to sleep, They would all be using the public bathrooms. And adding 4000 people to a 2nd ship that is full would put the total passenger & staff load over what the life boats would hold.
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Savannah GA/Lk Hopatcong NJ
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I wonder if somewhere in Bermuda maritime law there is something that can charge them? Odd are there are not.

Did Carnival have a ship that was that they could have canceled the next cycle on? How long would it take to get the empty ship there? The thought of moving 4,000 people thru a gang way between to ships would scare me.
Carnival did have another ship (not sure if was one of theres) that was near by tie off to them and transfer supplies, and med-e-vac a passenger off that ship to the other ship.

But that other ship was also full, so even if they could move 4000 people to it, there would be no where for them to sleep, They would all be using the public bathrooms. And adding 4000 people to a 2nd ship that is full would put the total passenger & staff load over what the life boats would hold.
That's how they would do it?? That would scare the hell out of me
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:41 AM
 
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I don't know. Is there any prior example of moving that many people from one ship to another in the middle of the ocean?

I suppose the risk would depend very greatly on the weather, and could be considerable.
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Western Colorado
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What crime did they commit? It was an accident. They are refunding everyone's money, plus giving everyone an extra $500 cash. Seems those people on that boat never went camping.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:21 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
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Excuse my ignorance but just how do you disembark 4000 passengers in the middle of the ocean?
A ship's tender, usually referred to as a tender, is a boat, or a larger ship used to service a ship, generally by transporting people and/or supplies to and from shore or another ship.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:38 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
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What crime did they commit? It was an accident. They are refunding everyone's money, plus giving everyone an extra $500 cash. Seems those people on that boat never went camping.
When you 5 working toilets for 4000 people the conditions are perfect for illness and disease. The bacteria count on that ship must be enormous.
It seems like Carnival would be negligent to allow passengers to be subjected to these conditions, especially when you consider this is not the first time this has happened to this Cruise line.

Also you must consider the ship they ran aground and the Captain abandoned ship leaving the passengers to fend for themselves. The summation of all the incidences begins to point to an overall picture of a company that is negligent in its responsibility to passengers who trust their wellbeing to the competency of the company.
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Island of Misfit Toys
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Where would you charge them? The ship was in international waters, right? Maybe not. And using tenders anchored in port is one thing, in the middle of the ocean with a ship that has no propulsion, or stabilizers, that's asking for trouble. If the ship were sinking that's an option but not here. The people weren't in immediate danger just inconvenienced.
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:05 AM
 
Location: MMU->ABE->ATL->ASH
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Ship is under Bermuda Flag, So in International Water its Bermuda. But there has to be some law that was broken. Its unlikely they have .
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