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Old 06-17-2014, 03:25 PM
 
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Do you get some kind of pleasure from other peoples' suffering and abject poverty? Maybe you should move to North Korea if you love it so much. A sick sociopath like you could probably be best friends with Kim Jung Un.
I have no idea to the individual that's direct toward, but I don't think this had anything to do with enjoying people suffer.
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Old 06-17-2014, 03:48 PM
 
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Yes, I think we all have been taken by this worthless thread.

One day and 40 posts later and the OP hasn't returned after asking for advice.


Probably retreated to his basement bedroom in his mommy's house and is laughing at all us fools who took him seriously.
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Old 06-17-2014, 03:50 PM
 
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Are you serious? This has to be a joke. River cruises? HAHAHAHAHA


Yup,...........a joke !
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Old 06-17-2014, 03:54 PM
 
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Actually, it probably is the safest place in the world to visit. What do you think would happen to a traveler in North Korea? The crime rate is the lowest in the world, and if there was a single western traveler arrested and being held in a prison camp there, you would certainly have heard about it on Fox News and News World Daily, which are are apparently your main sources of information about the world.

There is no independent travel to North Korea, you have to book all arrangements in advance with the government travel department, which will escort you 24 hours a day. It is very expensive.

With all the handwringing on this thread about the danger, does anybody have any examples of "what can go wrong"?


Please show us the link to the North Korean incident you are talking about.

In fact, show us an incident in which a US traveler had to be evacuated from any country, and did not have to pay the government back for the cost of being rescued. If the US government has to foot the cost of rescuing any American traveler abroad, the government takes the passport until the traveler reimburses them for the cost of the repatriation. Even if it's from Canada. In most cases, if a US traveler stupidly gets into trouble abroad, the only thing the US government does is refer them to a good local lawyer. Which is why there are hundreds of Americans serving long prison terms overseas for drug crimes. And US taxpayers not lifting a finger to help them.

So yes, if you are traveling with drugs or committing other kinds of crimes, it is a good idea to avoid countries that have police and law enforcement. What would be your guess about the number of foreign nationals who are serving time in American jails and prisons? And, now, what did you say were the countries "too dangerous" to travel in?

Almost two percent of all adult males in the USA are in prison. (Which, by the way, is higher than the number of North Koreans in prison in their own country.) Do you think two percent of all Americans traveling to "dangerous countries" are in prison there, or that you precious taxpayers are paying to get them out?

If you think those three hippy hikers who crossed into Iran paid all expenses involved in their release, I save bridges to sell you.

How many you want ?
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Old 06-17-2014, 03:55 PM
 
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Yes, I think we all have been taken by this worthless thread.

One day and 40 posts later and the OP hasn't returned after asking for advice.


Probably retreated to his basement bedroom in his mommy's house and is laughing at all us fools who took him seriously.
Yeah, either that, or he doesn't have the time to keep looking back at the forums. Who know...
Regardless, it's a lot of preparation, and planning.
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Old 06-17-2014, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Of all American and/or Western citizens who have arranged an official tour of North Korea, what is the worst thing that has happened to anyone? Please give us some details of this famous "danger" that stalks a traveler in North Korea.

Or are you just afraid that somebody might actually find out a truth that contradicts the shrill propaganda that you are being fed by the tabloid media?

By the way, Vice has the reputation of being the most irresponsible reporting organization in the world. They go around looking for the absolutely worst disgraceful injustices in the world, zero in on them, present them in the worst possible light, and then reflect them as if they represent the "normal" in those places. They go to a place with the most outrageous extremes, shoot hundreds of hours of video, and them pick out a few minutes of the craziest person saying the stupidest things. And then present them to you as if to say "Tut tut, look how lucky you are to live in an American suburb. where you don't have this stuff going on in your neighborhood.".

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Old 06-17-2014, 04:10 PM
 
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Of all American and/or Western citizens who have arranged an official tour of North Korea, what is the worst thing that has happened to anyone? Please give us some details of this famous "danger" that stalks a traveler in North Korea.

Or are you just afraid that somebody might actually find out a truth that contradicts the shrill propaganda that you are being fed by the tabloid media?

By the way, Vice has the reputation of being the most irresponsible reporting organization in the world. They go around looking for the absolutely worst disgraceful injustices in the world, zero in on them, present them in the worst possible light, and then reflect them as if they represent the "normal" in those places.
Alright, so results may be slightly skewed, and plus, VICE seems to act a little unprofessional, anyway. I once heard a man on there say "I hope they didn't put a camera in here"

Really?
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Old 06-17-2014, 04:27 PM
 
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Yes, I think we all have been taken by this worthless thread.

One day and 40 posts later and the OP hasn't returned after asking for advice.


Probably retreated to his basement bedroom in his mommy's house and is laughing at all us fools who took him seriously.
Now 6 pages. I guess we aren't supposed to say this is a troll thread. But here I go, can't resist - this is a troll thread, which makes the OP a .....
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Old 06-17-2014, 04:39 PM
 
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Now 6 pages. I guess we aren't supposed to say this is a troll thread. But here I go, can't resist - this is a troll thread, which makes the OP a .....
Don't...

You don't really know the circumstances.

It could be real, or not.

Either way, we tried.
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Old 06-17-2014, 04:58 PM
 
Location: North Dakota
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Actually, it probably is the safest place in the world to visit. What do you think would happen to a traveler in North Korea? The crime rate is the lowest in the world, and if there was a single western traveler arrested and being held in a prison camp there, you would certainly have heard about it on Fox News and News World Daily, which are are apparently your main sources of information about the world.

There is no independent travel to North Korea, you have to book all arrangements in advance with the government travel department, which will escort you 24 hours a day. It is very expensive.

With all the handwringing on this thread about the danger, does anybody have any examples of "what can go wrong"?
Safest place in the world? Considering the way the government is, what do you think couldn't happen in a place that strict. I'm sure the crime rate is low. If I knew I was going to get tortured and executed I probably wouldn't want to commit a crime either. You can watch just about any news source whether it's Fox News, CNN, or BBC and they will probably agree on a very basic level that North Korea is a dangerous place to visit.

I also use this as a source as I consider it reliable:North Korea Travel Warning

If you choose to ignore it that's on you but lives shouldn't have to be risked and tax money spent to save you because you wanted a unique vacation.
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