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Old 06-17-2014, 05:00 PM
 
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Safest place in the world? Considering the way the government is, what do you think couldn't happen in a place that strict. I'm sure the crime rate is low. If I knew I was going to get tortured and executed I probably wouldn't want to commit a crime either. You can watch just about any news source whether it's Fox News, CNN, or BBC and they will probably agree on a very basic level that North Korea is a dangerous place to visit.

I also use this as a source as I consider it reliable:North Korea Travel Warning

If you choose to ignore it that's one you but lives shouldn't have to be risked to save you because you wanted a unique vacation.
Yes, there is an active travel advisory, but we should help our fellow American. It's not like you were planning on getting into trouble.
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Old 06-17-2014, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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Of all American and/or Western citizens who have arranged an official tour of North Korea, what is the worst thing that has happened to anyone? Please give us some details of this famous "danger" that stalks a traveler in North Korea..
Accused of illegally bringing a bible into the country, detained in the country in the PRK's very poor condition prison system. Multiple occasions including this June:

North Korea Holds American Over Bible Left in Hotel, Reports Say - ABC News

Also detaining an 85 year old Korean war veteran there on a package vacation tour because he was apparently still 'the enemy'.

It takes like ten seconds and the first page of google to find reports of this kind of thing from multiple generally reliable news sources.
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Old 06-17-2014, 05:52 PM
 
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Accused of illegally bringing a bible into the country, detained in the country in the PRK's very poor condition prison system. Multiple occasions including this June:

North Korea Holds American Over Bible Left in Hotel, Reports Say - ABC News

Also detaining an 85 year old Korean war veteran there on a package vacation tour because he was apparently still 'the enemy'.

It takes like ten seconds and the first page of google to find reports of this kind of thing from multiple generally reliable news sources.
Yeah, when you want to travel over there, make sure to read their rules. Don't try to break those on their soil. I know it's with good intentions, but really...
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Old 06-17-2014, 10:51 PM
 
Location: North Dakota
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Yes, there is an active travel advisory, but we should help our fellow American. It's not like you were planning on getting into trouble.
The point is there are plenty of interesting and unique places you can visit where you will be much less likely to get into trouble. The fellow American shouldn't be going there in the first place and then he/she wouldn't need to be rescued.
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Old 06-17-2014, 10:55 PM
 
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The point is there are plenty of interesting and unique places you can visit where you will be much less likely to get into trouble. The fellow American shouldn't be going there in the first place and then he/she wouldn't need to be rescued.
I can agree to this for the most part. You'd have have to really exhaust your options, or at least I would, prior to a trip to NK.
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Old 06-17-2014, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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If you think those three hippy hikers who crossed into Iran paid all expenses involved in their release, I save bridges to sell you.

How many you want ?
They were on an official sanctioned government-led guided tour of Iran? Or did you think the OP was talking about sneaking across the border in some remote mountain region to travel in North Korea? Somehow there is a disconnect in what you seem to be talking about, so clarify that for us.

When some jihadists from Iran "accodentally" stumble across the border in the back woods of British Columbia into Washington, who do you think pays to get them out of Guantanamo Bay and flown back their country, from the USA, which is perfectly safe to travel in?
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Old 06-17-2014, 11:05 PM
 
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They were on an official sanctioned government-led guided tour of Iran? Or did you think the OP was talking about sneaking across the border in some remote mountain region to travel in North Korea? Somehow there is a disconnect in what you seem to be talking about, so clarify that for us.
I didn't quite get what he even said
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Old 06-18-2014, 08:06 AM
 
Location: USA
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Even if you're able to travel there as an American, aren't you basically escorted/watched all the time by a government official to make sure you aren't breaking rules or trying to see things you aren't "supposed" to see?
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Old 06-18-2014, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Savannah GA/Lk Hopatcong NJ
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Nuff said.....o/p's new post

North Dakota vs North Korea...compare contrast thread
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Old 06-18-2014, 02:01 PM
 
Location: NOVA
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Didn;t they just arrest two American tourist for basically nothing? Seems they just decide you offended the regime.
Exactly.

Of course, you don't have to worry about getting beheaded, like in Iraq or Afghanistan. But if you call it "safer," you are just so naive. Your personal safety from those crimes is guaranteed, because 24/7 you are under their protection (under their "monitoring" to be precise). I don't know what your point is to the visit and experience there, but if this is what you want, go ahead.

Having unique experience? Going to prison is also unique experience, so would you go to prison just to get unique experience? Someone mentioned that about 2 percent of US population is imprisoned. Well, I would say you have a lot more personal freedom in a prison in the US than outside a prison in NK.

I wish the OP and other followers, if any, at least did their homework first.

There have been several US citizens arrested and detained there. Currently 3 US citizens are detained/imprisoned. The most bothersome part to me is, it is really a mystery what really happened--what have they done wrong? No one really knows for sure and even those who got "rescued" keep their mouth shut after coming back to the US. They don't claim their innocence nor accept their guilt.

From little we know, some of the examples of transgression that get you in trouble are---
1) talking anything negative about their regime and good things about the world outside NK..... Yeah, try them and see what happens.

2) leaving the Bible or any Christian materials in the hotel room--you will be accused of "overturning" the sovereignty of their people. Tell them it was an innocent mistake, not a plotted attempt? Well, good luck. This is why they are not called "government" but a "regime."

3) if you are a Korean War veteran, you are the their enemy. Period. It doesn't matter it was half a century ago.

The list goes on and I'm sure there are a ton of information on the internet. Some people are just refusing to get the information.

By the way, this is nothing to do with one's political orientation. No need for bashing Fox News.

(Edit) I didn't see the last posting. I'm not entirely sure if I did not waste my time.
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