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Old 06-18-2014, 02:03 PM
 
Location: SW Florida
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well, it wasn't clear what kids age are we talking about here. seems like parents supposed to shut up their kids no matter how old they are... I've been on each side of this fence and cannot stand when people talk the say you did - you hate screaming kids? get a private jet or get over it... Many people are driving me nuts on the plain - people from India who don't know that showers are exist on this planet, or fat people who take half of my sit - so what? I learned to deal with it so other people annoyed by young kids should do the same.
Depends on the circumstances, really. But as you point out, flights these days (on coach fares, anyway) really amount to the proverbial cattle cars in the sky, passengers are crammed together so closely there's barely room to breathe, let alone stretch out one's legs, and even adjusting one's seat to make it more comfortable is likely to make the passenger behind someone even more crowded. In those close quarters, whatever it is that annoys passengers about others is likely to be crammed up against them, or at too close a range, and they can't do much to alleviate it, or get away from it. I've been on flights where I swear if I were a kid I'd be crying like that too!

I think one of my memorable flights was the time I sat next to a guy who must have had some sort of digestive upset, or he ate beans and forgot his Beano. He let out a series of "silent but deadly" ones during that three hour flight. I was sitting in the window seat, so spent most of my time there with my nose wrapped up in my sweater, against the window.

 
Old 06-18-2014, 02:04 PM
 
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so what do you suggest if you HAVE to travel and MUST take your kids with you? Do you really think parents are enjoying the scream???

it's a good idea to have ear plugs....
Give me a reason to "HAVE" to travel. Short of life saving surgery for the child, I'm not so sure there is a "have" as opposed to a "want."
 
Old 06-18-2014, 02:15 PM
 
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so what do you suggest if you HAVE to travel and MUST take your kids with you? Do you really think parents are enjoying the scream???

it's a good idea to have ear plugs....
Well when I & my 3 older siblings were young, my parents drove everywhere. All of us stuffed into a station wagon driving cross country to go camping. Talk about a nightmare but at least they didn't subject anyone else to that nightmare. Much cheaper too! And ear plugs do not block out all noises, you can still hear plenty muffled noises, screaming kids being one.
 
Old 06-18-2014, 02:16 PM
 
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Depends on the circumstances, really. But as you point out, flights these days (on coach fares, anyway) really amount to the proverbial cattle cars in the sky, passengers are crammed together so closely there's barely room to breathe, let alone stretch out one's legs, and even adjusting one's seat to make it more comfortable is likely to make the passenger behind someone even more crowded. In those close quarters, whatever it is that annoys passengers about others is likely to be crammed up against them, or at too close a range, and they can't do much to alleviate it, or get away from it. I've been on flights where I swear if I were a kid I'd be crying like that too!

I think one of my memorable flights was the time I sat next to a guy who must have had some sort of digestive upset, or he ate beans and forgot his Beano. He let out a series of "silent but deadly" ones during that three hour flight. I was sitting in the window seat, so spent most of my time there with my nose wrapped up in my sweater, against the window.
I really wish they would raise airfares to kick the Clampetts back to Greyhound.
 
Old 06-18-2014, 02:24 PM
 
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Many kids can have painful ear pressure issues when flying. their default reaction is to cry, If you've ever tried to stop a baby crying when they are in distress you'll know its no easy task, i'm sure the mother was doing everything she could to quiet the child.
For those thinking spanking the child will solve the problem? beating the child till it doesnt cry anymore sounds like an extreme remedy that i can assure you wont work as i've seen enough supermarket episodes with moms beating crying kids to know they just cry louder...
 
Old 06-18-2014, 02:35 PM
 
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Give me a reason to "HAVE" to travel. Short of life saving surgery for the child, I'm not so sure there is a "have" as opposed to a "want."
Needing to relocate out of country? Should I just leave my kid behind?

Having to fly last minute to get home to a dying family member ASAP, and with no option to leave the child behind.

There are a lot of reasons parents fly with children that don't involve frivolous trips to Disney.
 
Old 06-18-2014, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Sherwood, OR
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Give me a reason to "HAVE" to travel. Short of life saving surgery for the child, I'm not so sure there is a "have" as opposed to a "want."
How about my wife and 12 month old attending my father's funeral 2200 miles away from where we live? Or is attending a funeral a frivolous choice? Should they have spent 4 days traveling by car? Should we have gotten a baby sitter for a week (we have no family where we live)? Should my wife not have attending the funeral?

He was good on the plane by the way and we're the type of parents who'd feel obligated to do anything we can to keep him quiet.
 
Old 06-18-2014, 02:51 PM
 
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Many kids can have painful ear pressure issues when flying. their default reaction is to cry, If you've ever tried to stop a baby crying when they are in distress you'll know its no easy task, i'm sure the mother was doing everything she could to quiet the child.
For those thinking spanking the child will solve the problem? beating the child till it doesnt cry anymore sounds like an extreme remedy that i can assure you wont work as i've seen enough supermarket episodes with moms beating crying kids to know they just cry louder...
I don't think any of us have a problem with an infant crying as long as the parent is actively working at consoling it. Is it annoying and frustrating--yes, but in that case it really can't be helped.
 
Old 06-18-2014, 02:55 PM
 
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How about my wife and 12 month old attending my father's funeral 2200 miles away from where we live? Or is attending a funeral a frivolous choice? Should they have spent 4 days traveling by car? Should we have gotten a baby sitter for a week (we have no family where we live)? Should my wife not have attending the funeral?

He was good on the plane by the way and we're the type of parents who'd feel obligated to do anything we can to keep him quiet.
If he was a good baby and you were willing to do anything it took to keep him happy, no problem. The problem is that most parents these days are too self-absorbed to do that.
 
Old 06-18-2014, 02:55 PM
 
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I just endured a horrific southwest airline flight filled with screaming crying kids who would not shut up. All the mother did was "shhhh". Does that qualify as sufficient these days? What obligation do these parents have for the other passengers? Or do they? Should they leave the kids at home?
First you say screaming, crying kids, and then you say non stop talking. It's not like the mother was in a movie theater or church where she could remove the child. Where were the flight attendants? Whenever I've flown and a child was beside him/herself, a flight attendant was there to offer some juice or cookies.

It's hard to draw a conclusion to bad parenting on just one flight. This flight could have been a family emergency where mom threw things together and grabbed the kids w/o thinking of having anything on hand (snacks, books, small toys). How do we know that this mom is distraught and flying home to a sick family member or worse, a funeral? How do we know this obnoxious child (to you) isn't going to see a specialist for a certain sickness or disorder that he/she may have? What has happened to compassion in this day and age?
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