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Old 06-26-2014, 04:32 AM
 
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You sound like a reasonable person so you'd probably want to know that the term "orientals" in that context is considered sort of offensive, or at least a little ignorant, by a lot of people. It's better used in reference to places or inanimate objects (like rugs), not humans.

Also, the term you probably meant to use, "asians" refers to at least 2/3 of the worlds population, and it's hard to generalize the parenting skills of 4.3 billion people.
I know many Asians, and hence the term orientals....
I believe we worry more about what is offensive then other way more important things on the face of this earth...and it's got to stop...period. My parents also used that term, and so did our grand parents, when we were referring to Asians. I will ask my friends and see what they think? Orientals was always a term we used to generalize all Asians...so?

However, you come from a different culture then I do, a way different time....
I don't believe Asians, are so worried about offensive terms as we are....this particular generation is obsessed with it...

Ignorant you say? Well, I suppose it depends on what generation you come from, however, now a days everything a person speaks seems to offend someone, which is ridiculous. We spend more time thinking up what is offensive then consentrating on our journeys and knowledge....especially Americans.

Usage Note: Asian is now strongly preferred in place of Oriental for persons native to Asia or descended from an Asian people. The usual objection to Orientalmeaning "eastern"is that it identifies Asian countries and peoples in terms of their location relative to Europe. However, this objection is not generally made of other Eurocentric terms such as Near and Middle Eastern. The real problem with Oriental is more likely its connotations stemming from an earlier era when Europeans viewed the regions east of the Mediterranean as exotic lands full of romance and intrigue, the home of despotic empires and inscrutable customs. At the least these associations can give Oriental a dated feel, and as a noun in contemporary contexts (as in the first Oriental to be elected from the district) it is now widely taken to be offensive. However, Oriental should not be thought of as an ethnic slur to be avoided in all situations. As with Asiatic, its use other than as an ethnonym, in phrases such as Oriental cuisine or Oriental medicine, is not usually considered objectionable.

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Old 06-26-2014, 04:42 AM
 
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I don't think this is necessarily true, and while I find Koreans to be generally respectful, their children seem to be more "out there" than the Japanese children from what I've experienced, and the same goes for Chinese, though not necessarily Taiwanese/Hong Kongers. They are each highly distinct cultures despite sharing many similarities. Perhaps this can be said of certain sects of IMMIGRANTS to America, but that does not generalize to the natives. Also, I can't say that a lot of Japanese people really spank their kids. Although some random guy did recently threaten some teenagers with a knife when they littered. I will say that the Japanese parents seem to teach their children why they shouldn't do something instead of simply having it be an action-discipline relationship. Instead, the children will understand WHY it is wrong and not just simply know it is wrong. Furthermore, Japanese children are burdened with a lot of responsibility. For instance, they are designated to clean up their school to the extent that they can every day instead of the school having janitors to do so (surely the reason they clean up after themselves during the World Cup matches) as well as them being tasked with serving lunch to their classmates, among a lot of other things. Then, if one person is failing in the activity, everybody takes the responsibility and NOT JUST the person who is failing. These type of schemes set up relations between people so that the children can see how hard people work to deliver them services, and in turn causes the children to respect the service they are given throughout life. This is why you will not see a lot of Japanese people wantonly destroying things because they often have a first-hand idea of how much effort it would be to clean up. People also learn the idea of group responsibility, whereby they don't want to see the group punished for their own failings, motivating them to not be lazy in social scenarios. It also works the other way, as the group will not just leave the individual behind but instead work to uplift that individual in order to accomplish the task. Everybody is important, which is why in companies a decision is passed through everybody's hands in order to gain acceptance. The idea of teenagers getting a job to learn responsibility in America essentially begins upon entering school or even before in Japan. All for the better, in my opinion, because it creates an attitude before a different one has had the chance to crystallize.
I have a friend who is Chinese, another from Twain, and They had spanked their children, also work with many of them, Chinese, Japanes, they explained to me, that their cultures, demand they be strict with they're kids...and I applaund them....and I am astounded at how intelligent they are....and how many activities the parents make them get involved in, I'm not talking about sports, I'm referring to the arts, languages, poetry, music, painting, etc.

Where our parents are always running they're kids to sports activities, Orientals, or Asians are running their kids around to classes that are more scolastically inclined.

One of my friends, well, her one daughter, in one years time, lost a coat, a sweater, broke her reading glasses and lost her lunch box. So, Santa didn't come that year. I don't know how she did it, but she did, and the girl learned, she was much much more responsible the next year. I see nothing wrong with what she did....it taught her child a lesson.

we here in America are way to soft....and we spend more time, worrying about offending someone, then we do learning. I mean, just look at these forums, and see how upset people get when someone disagrees with them, they resort to insults and calling names instead of learning something b/c we take any disagreement, as a personal attack against our characters, which stagnates our learning process.

Great post, enjoyed reading, thank you
 
Old 06-26-2014, 05:07 AM
 
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I recently read about etiquette in restaurants and to quiet kids, yes, I agree parents should quiet their kids. If not, the other passengers should have the same right to make equally loud noise and that would not be very pleasant for anyone.
Dropping the F Bomb and watching porn in full view of the kids. If everyone is expected to put I. Their headphones and blindfolds to avoid obnoxious behavior, parents need to apply this to kids, too.
 
Old 06-26-2014, 05:10 AM
 
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OK, you said: "Actually I'm not a big fan of puppies..." So you don't hate them, but obviously you don't like them, at least the misbehaving types, nor do you like small children, at least the misbehaving types. A person who dislikes puppies and children. Got it.
Wrong again buckaroo. I do not dislike them. I prefer older dogs and older children. I'm not a big fan of canoeing. It doesn't mean I dislike it, it means there are things I prefer. Stop trying to twist my words to meet your very weak position, it's only making you look silly.
 
Old 06-26-2014, 05:19 AM
 
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I have a friend who is Chinese, another from Twain, and They had spanked their children, also work with many of them, Chinese, Japanes, they explained to me, that their cultures, demand they be strict with they're kids...and I applaund them....and I am astounded at how intelligent they are....and how many activities the parents make them get involved in, I'm not talking about sports, I'm referring to the arts, languages, poetry, music, painting, etc.

Where our parents are always running they're kids to sports activities, Orientals, or Asians are running their kids around to classes that are more scolastically inclined.

One of my friends, well, her one daughter, in one years time, lost a coat, a sweater, broke her reading glasses and lost her lunch box. So, Santa didn't come that year. I don't know how she did it, but she did, and the girl learned, she was much much more responsible the next year. I see nothing wrong with what she did....it taught her child a lesson.

we here in America are way to soft....and we spend more time, worrying about offending someone, then we do learning. I mean, just look at these forums, and see how upset people get when someone disagrees with them, they resort to insults and calling names instead of learning something b/c we take any disagreement, as a personal attack against our characters, which stagnates our learning process.

Great post, enjoyed reading, thank you
Actually they are running them to sports, but it isn't the primary focus. We have several eastern Asian immigrant families in my neighborhood. Almost all of the children play a sport. Tennis is very popular as are golf, swimming, and baseball.

What they aren't involved in are activities like Scouts, cheerleading, drama group, etc.
 
Old 06-26-2014, 05:22 AM
 
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Wrong again buckaroo. I do not dislike them. I prefer older dogs and older children. I'm not a big fan of canoeing. It doesn't mean I dislike it, it means there are things I prefer. Stop trying to twist my words to meet your very weak position, it's only making you look silly.
perhaps you should have said, I'm not a fan of puppies, because.....
I didn't read anywhere where you said you hated puppies, it amazes me on here how people take a comment and go to the complete opposite end of the spectrum to prove their agenda, and that isn't at all what you meant....oh well....logic is another thing that people have lost.

I find that people who go to these lengths to disagree, constantly either love to be contrary, are extremely lost in the thought that if you disagree with them, they take it as a personal attack against their personal culture, or, are guilty of it themselves.

It doesn't pay to try and explain yourself, actually a waste of time.

 
Old 06-26-2014, 05:24 AM
 
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Wrong again buckaroo. I do not dislike them. I prefer older dogs and older children. I'm not a big fan of canoeing. It doesn't mean I dislike it, it means there are things I prefer. Stop trying to twist my words to meet your very weak position, it's only making you look silly.
Generally speaking, the phrase "not a big fan of" implies dislike. If your dinner host offers you oysters and you say, "I'm not a big fan of oysters" then they're going to obviously conclude that you don't like oysters.

What looks silly is confessing on a public forum that you don't like kids and puppies and flight attendants, then trying to wiggle out of it when someone asks for a clarification.
 
Old 06-26-2014, 05:26 AM
 
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Actually they are running them to sports, but it isn't the primary focus. We have several eastern Asian immigrant families in my neighborhood. Almost all of the children play a sport. Tennis is very popular as are golf, swimming, and baseball.

What they aren't involved in are activities like Scouts, cheerleading, drama group, etc.
yes, your right, what I meant and should have written it so, is the same as you just said....
I know both my girlfriends kids did partake in 1 sport....but didn't think I need to mention it, b/c they actually do consentrate on scholastic knowledge, common sense values and morals, and also, respect for oneself, along with some older customs and the arts....

My one friends child, was learning Chineses and going to classes for other languages.

Like I said, they astound me, and I so wish our Country would get back to understanding the importance of good parenting. But how can that be possible when our teens are popping out kids to live on welfare, or a parent does not understand the importance of someone else's personal space in public.
 
Old 06-26-2014, 05:44 AM
 
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yes, your right, what I meant and should have written it so, is the same as you just said....
I know both my girlfriends kids did partake in 1 sport....but didn't think I need to mention it, b/c they actually do consentrate on scholastic knowledge, common sense values and morals, and also, respect for oneself, along with some older customs and the arts....

My one friends child, was learning Chineses and going to classes for other languages.

Like I said, they astound me, and I so wish our Country would get back to understanding the importance of good parenting. But how can that be possible when our teens are popping out kids to live on welfare, or a parent does not understand the importance of someone else's personal space in public.
When I lived in Taiwan for a couple of years, there were definitely examples of bad parenting. People are people.

Also, when you talk about personal space, wow, you really ought to spend some time in east Asia because they have a very different conception of that. It's like everyone's one giant family. If a child runs over and jumps in your lap or knocks your drink over, the parents might apologize but you're expected to recognize that this is what small children do.

In the Asian societies I'm familiar with, children are considered practically sacred. Sure, they have strict parenting, but they also tolerate children to act like children because that's just the way it is. If you're an uptight intolerant type who dislikes children and puppies, you would be absolutely miserable over there, and people would have a low regard for you as well.
 
Old 06-26-2014, 06:03 AM
 
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Generally speaking, the phrase "not a big fan of" implies dislike. If your dinner host offers you oysters and you say, "I'm not a big fan of oysters" then they're going to obviously conclude that you don't like oysters.

What looks silly is confessing on a public forum that you don't like kids and puppies and flight attendants, then trying to wiggle out of it when someone asks for a clarification.
What looks stupid is trying to out words into people's mouths and assuming things that were never said.
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