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Old 08-31-2014, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Airports all over the world
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Since the airlines won't do the right thing, I guess people and the governments will have to do it for them.
Just what is the right thing to do? We all would love to see the airlines provide more leg room. However the only way that is going to happen is if the airlines raise airfare by a bunch. This won't happen as time and time again passengers have shown the most important factor in their decision making process is the price of the ticket.

If the government were to mandate increased leg room it would drive up the cost of the ticket beyond what some passengers could afford. The loss of revenue from these passengers would in turn drive up the cost of tickets even more. Which in turn would price more travelers out of the market. Then airfares would go up even more. Soon only the rich would be able to afford to fly. There would have to be a reduction in flights with many smaller cities no longer having air service at all.
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Old 08-31-2014, 02:24 PM
 
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It's the airlines' fault. They're maximizing ever inch of space and taking the fun out of flying. They've made flying cheaper, but that's the trade off.

I suspect that governments will step in fairly soon to rectify this. If there's a bright side to the recent mile-high brawls is that it's going to become a safety issue, and that will necessarily prompt quick action. Since the airlines won't do the right thing, I guess people and the governments will have to do it for them.
Airlines have rectified this themselves. They offer additional classes of seating for those who want it. If you can't fit in these spacious seats, then you're too fat. Even Shaq sits in a business class seat comfortably.
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Old 08-31-2014, 02:53 PM
 
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I have.


I plan on doing it again.
You are asking for a fight.

What makes you think your seat is worth more than the person in front of you ? Your actions make flying harder than it already is.
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Old 08-31-2014, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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I don't recline my seat any more out of courtesy for those wedged behind me.

For all you who claim that you'll take action against those who recline their seat in front of you, be prepared to be escorted off the plane and possibly arrested. If the flight crew intercedes and you're behavior is deemed to be interference, it's a federal crime.

Recently, the airlines have demonstrated that they will divert when such disturbances occur. Do you really want to risk that over a couple inches?
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Old 08-31-2014, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Airports all over the world
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I don't recline my seat any more out of courtesy for those wedged behind me.

For all you who claim that you'll take action against those who recline their seat in front of you, be prepared to be escorted off the plane and possibly arrested. If the flight crew intercedes and you're behavior is deemed to be interference, it's a federal crime.

Recently, the airlines have demonstrated that they will divert when such disturbances occur. Do you really want to risk that over a couple inches?
I agree it is stupid and not worth the risk to take retaliatory actions against the person in front of you because they reclined their seat. However, what about the person in front that continues to agressively try to recline their seat after I have made it clear to them I am unable to fit my legs under the seat. As far as I am concerned that very well could be seen as assault and battery.

Not that you have said it is, but I would like to point out that being unable to move your knees to allow the front passenger to recline is not considered crew interference nor is it a federal crime.
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Old 08-31-2014, 08:20 PM
 
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As someone 6'2 most every airplane I can recall sitting in, I barely had any wiggle room between my knees and the back of the seat in front of me unless my knees were as wide apart as possible. Only once did I purposely block the seat in front from reclining, and it was because a young child (about 5-6 yo) kept pushing it back and releasing to upright. After about the sixth time I decided to put an end to his game. Once I braced it with my knees, the little brat got quite animated in slamming his back into it to recline and then fortunately the adult on one side of him (I assume it was parent) finally paid attention to him and for the most part stopped it.

The seats themselves never seemed to recline that much (about 6 inches max) and I had my own technique to solve my particular problem. Even though I am tall I am medium frame so I'd maximize my leg room by not putting my things under the seat in front, but rather beneath my knees snug up against my seat. This enabled me to flex knee with feet forward under the seat in front. Occasionally someone would get my foot drifting into their foot space (if they were the tuck under their seat type) but no uncivil behavior ever occurred.

At first I liked aisle seats for the opportunity to extend and stretch, but over time I found the window seat more accommodating on larger planes as long as no huge person occupied the middle seat. In the aisle I'd get constant bumping from people, worry about people wanting to access the overhead bin, or have to worry about the food cart, or an observant flight attendant who'd tell me I couldn't place my computer business bag under my legs and that it had to be under the seat in front of me, etc...

One flight in particular comes to mind for seat reclining issues. I ended up in a seat that did not stay upright. That is, my body weight leaning back would cause it to recline ever so slowly over time. I had to laugh when the flight attendant would come by and tell me to place seat in upright position. I told her after about the third time she asked and said, I can't help it and that she needed to let maintenance know they needed to fix the seat.

As a courtesy before reclining, I always check to see how large the person seating behind me (and if there is anyone) before doing so and if they are large I'd let them know I was going to recline my seat a bit. Or if short enough flight not recline.

If someone (an adult) did make a real nuisance of themselves by reclining severely and being an [censored] I too would make a point of getting up to walk around and stretch or use the bathroom to get a little bit of payback. But confronting a fellow passenger on a airplane is stupid. I realize it is a glorified bus at 30,000 feet and as captive audience my main concern is getting to my destination.

I mentioned this in an analogous thread, I think airplanes shouldn't divert for this stupid behavior just design uncooperative passenger hold area (a la the brig) that these types be confined in the remainder of the trip. Or maybe an adaptation of the rudimentary fold down seats flight crew sit in on take off and landing with special strapping that keep the morons in a secure place the remainder of the trip?
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Old 08-31-2014, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Airports all over the world
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just design uncooperative passenger hold area (a la the brig)
I would be willing to ride in the brig, the left lavatory or even the baggage hold if it meant a couple more inches of leg room.
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Old 08-31-2014, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Tucson for awhile longer
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I've never argued about it, but I think a full recline without checking with the passenger behind is rude. I believe, however, it should be up to the airlines to put a stop to this. They are the ones who squeezed the seats so close together the seats cannot be reclined so the person behind is not encroached upon. They need to handle this once and for all. Either make rules, or fix the seats so they can't be fully reclined, or stop adding seats. This has become an untenable situation for travelers, especially on long trips.
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Old 08-31-2014, 10:18 PM
 
Location: southern california
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very aggressive behavior.
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Old 08-31-2014, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ > Raleigh, NC
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I've never argued about it, but I think a full recline without checking with the passenger behind is rude. I believe, however, it should be up to the airlines to put a stop to this. They are the ones who squeezed the seats so close together the seats cannot be reclined so the person behind is not encroached upon. They need to handle this once and for all. Either make rules, or fix the seats so they can't be fully reclined, or stop adding seats. This has become an untenable situation for travelers, especially on long trips.
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Reclining airline seats: Have you ever stopped one?
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