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Old 09-24-2014, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Ubique
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I already said why in my original post. Did you not understand what I was saying?
Here is what you said:
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People should be paid adequately for all jobs and tipping abolished. It does nothing but shift the load of providing payment for service from all to the few or many who do tip. Adequate pay will shift that payment load back to ALL who use the service - as it should be.
Which makes little to no sense. The "load" of paying the housekeepers? What "load"? That is compensation for work, in a private contract arrangement. First, two parties have entered voluntarily in a private contract -- hotels and housekeepers.

Customers have not entered into a Contract with housekeepers. So there is no "load" of payment to begin with.

Tips are voluntary and optional. Housekeepers realize this very well. So does everybody else.

I also asked you a few questions, which you have yet to address.

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Assume, what you want. Usually when assuming, people are wrong. In this case, you are dead wrong. Remember! When you make and assumption, you are making an azz out of U and umption!
Tell me, besides new legislation, how else can tips be "abolished?" We live in a country will law and order, don't we?


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Are you not capable of realizing that everyone is entitled to their own thoughts and opinions and that your umbrage - not matter how contrived makes your opinions no more valid than anyone else's?
You are free to express your opinion of course, like I am also free to question your opinion, and call it BS if I think so, no?
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Old 09-24-2014, 02:30 PM
 
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What does "extra-hard" mean, and what's the difference between "hard" and "extra-hard?"

I tip for every stay, and I stay often in hotels. It's common practice, a tradition, but to be honest, I have no idea why really. Neither do you...
So you're a mind reader. It takes a lot of skill to know what a total stranger doesn't know. Impressive. I'll send the answer to your questions via telepathy.

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Old 09-24-2014, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Ubique
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So you're a mind reader. It takes a lot of skill to know what a total stranger doesn't know. Impressive. I'll send the answer to your questions via telepathy.
No mind reader, but a text reader. From what you wrote I think you don't know either why you tip this profession, and not another.
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Old 09-24-2014, 06:08 PM
 
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EVERYONE expects a tip these days. There are tip jars everywhere, so this is no surprise.

Starbucks just changed their phone app so you can do "digital tipping". They even send you a little reminder that you can tip up to an hour or so after buying your cup of corporate coffee.

I'll tip when I want, not when someone pushes me, either by app or envelope.
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Old 09-24-2014, 08:10 PM
 
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No mind reader, but a text reader. From what you wrote I think you don't know either why you tip this profession, and not another.
Sure I do. I tip them because I know that they are doing a menial job that doesn't pay well. I tip them because I know that they are paying a mortgage and buying food and raising kids. I tip them because I was once on the receiving end of tips and those tips helped me pay for college. I tip them because I'm able to and it's one of the ways I can pay it forward.

I don't tip my doctor because I've seen his house, he's told me about his very expensive hobby and I know he's doing quite well on his base salary.
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Old 09-25-2014, 04:32 AM
 
Location: Ubique
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Sure I do. I tip them because I know that they are doing a menial job that doesn't pay well. I tip them because I know that they are paying a mortgage and buying food and raising kids. I tip them because I was once on the receiving end of tips and those tips helped me pay for college. I tip them because I'm able to and it's one of the ways I can pay it forward.

I don't tip my doctor because I've seen his house, he's told me about his very expensive hobby and I know he's doing quite well on his base salary.
Then do you tip these other low-paying or minimum wage workers:

- Janitor who cleans your office?
- Janitor who cleans the bathroom in your kids' school or your college?
- Janitor in the hospital when you, or your loved ones God-Forbid need to stay over?
- If you live in an apartment building, Janitor who cleans the building?
- Painters who paint your house?
- Landscape boys who cut your grass?
- McDonald worker who picks up your trash when you're there?
- Movers who move your stuff?
- Security Guards at your school or kids' school?

I mean aren't the Security Guards providing a lot more valuable service to you than hotel housekeepers, yet they make less? Why don't you tip them?

- Shelf-stocking workers at supermarkets, who organize everything, so you can just pick up?

And I can go on..

Tell me -- why don't we tip these low-wage or minimum-wage workers?
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Old 09-25-2014, 05:53 AM
 
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Then do you tip these other low-paying or minimum wage workers:

- Janitor who cleans your office?
- Janitor who cleans the bathroom in your kids' school or your college?
- Janitor in the hospital when you, or your loved ones God-Forbid need to stay over?
- If you live in an apartment building, Janitor who cleans the building?
- Painters who paint your house?
- Landscape boys who cut your grass?
- McDonald worker who picks up your trash when you're there?
- Movers who move your stuff?
- Security Guards at your school or kids' school?

I mean aren't the Security Guards providing a lot more valuable service to you than hotel housekeepers, yet they make less? Why don't you tip them?

- Shelf-stocking workers at supermarkets, who organize everything, so you can just pick up?

And I can go on..

Tell me -- why don't we tip these low-wage or minimum-wage workers?
I've tipped movers before. I don't think its solely based on their wage. Some of it is the service they provide and some of it is driven by custom.

I've never thought of tipping security guards or others you mentioned. When you start expanding the list as you did, you could almost make a case for tipping anyone.

I would never tip anyone behind a counter. To me they aren't doing anything special or above the ordinary for me. I could make the same argument for wait staff, but that's the custom. However, I tip based on the service I get. Lousy service, lousy or no tip. Good service, good tip.

I do know people (and have done this myself) that give a tip to some you mentioned at Christmas.
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Old 09-25-2014, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Ubique
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I've tipped movers before. I don't think its solely based on their wage. Some of it is the service they provide and some of it is driven by custom.

I've never thought of tipping security guards or others you mentioned. When you start expanding the list as you did, you could almost make a case for tipping anyone.

I would never tip anyone behind a counter. To me they aren't doing anything special or above the ordinary for me. I could make the same argument for wait staff, but that's the custom. However, I tip based on the service I get. Lousy service, lousy or no tip. Good service, good tip.

I do know people (and have done this myself) that give a tip to some you mentioned at Christmas.

Yes, my response to the other commenter was that him/her and I don't know why we tip some low-wage workers, and not others. Other than tradition, custom, "that's how things are done."

Yes, handing me an envelope for tips will definitely result in zero tip and me maybe or maybe not biting my tongue. Tips are voluntary, and an option I choose or not to exercise.

My list did not include behind-the-counter workers, although even for them I am not sure why not. Aren't the housekeepers cleaning rooms because it's their job? Isn't their job in the first place to leave me a clean, immaculate room, or are housekeepers supposed to have me stay in a pigsty room?

So, what is special that they do, or above and beyond their call of duty?

Come to think about it, why are they different from the supermarket lady that processes and bags my groceries? They both are doing their jobs, no?

I have no issue with tradition. In fact I like tradition, and will go along, even without having a clue myself why I tip housekeepers and not other low wage workers.
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Old 09-25-2014, 08:08 AM
 
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Great, just what we need, another annerk.
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Old 09-25-2014, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Island of Misfit Toys
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hahahaha no. Pay them a fair wage and stop expecting the customer to make up for treating people like slave labor.
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