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Old 10-29-2014, 10:15 AM
 
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It's a gimmick like Spirit Air to try to rope people in with unbelievable bargain fares which end up being priced more than a ticket on a regular airline after all the additional fees. They push these fees to the check in so that people are stuck paying them since they've already bought the ticket and committed to the trip. What's likely is this airline will charge a flat rate one can pay to avoid the embarrassment of being weighed.

 
Old 10-29-2014, 10:16 AM
 
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It's a gimmicky approach for a gimmicky airline. No major carrier would ever do this because it would be a death wish.

I'm one of those 6'2" 200 pounders and I would rather ride a moped to where I'm going than to acquiesce to a stupid policy like that. If you can fit into one of those sardine can sized seats then you should only be charged as one traveller.
except the operating cost of airlines are not just about size of the seat, but also the fuel required to move the weight it has on board.

Fuel cost is about 30-35% of total operating cost.
 
Old 10-29-2014, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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except the operating cost of airlines are not just about size of the seat, but also the fuel required to move the weight it has on board.

Fuel cost is about 30-35% of total operating cost.
It's also a matter of dignity and respect for the passenger.
 
Old 10-29-2014, 10:22 AM
 
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It's a gimmick like Spirit Air to try to rope people in with unbelievable bargain fares which end up being priced more than a ticket on a regular airline after all the additional fees. They push these fees to the check in so that people are stuck paying them since they've already bought the ticket and committed to the trip. What's likely is this airline will charge a flat rate one can pay to avoid the embarrassment of being weighed.
No, all the added costs are clearly stated when you purchase the ticket. What those airlines do is essentially unbundling the services people might or might not need, and only charge those who do need it. You only looked at the base fare thinking it is cheap and went for it. There are no gimmick here. You are supposed to pay for additional things on top of the base fare.

If you need everything a typical airline does or even more, you shouldn't consider a budget airline to start with.

For example, airlines charge a flat rate based on the assumption a passenger doesn't carry any bags. Any additional bags, let it be checked in or carry on, should come at additional cost. In this way, a person with no bag or a small purse won't end up subsidizing one with a 45 pound bag and a 20 pound carry on bag by paying exactly the same fare (as in the case with most regular airlines, which is NOT fair). And a passenger that doesn't want to eat lunch on board doesn't have to pay for it either.
 
Old 10-29-2014, 10:25 AM
 
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It's also a matter of dignity and respect for the passenger.
I fail to understand why weighing yourself is a loss of dignity.

Anyone can see by visual observation if one is fat or not. Knowing the exact weight doesn't make it worse. Do you think a 250lbs man can look skinny without being weighed?

Plus, the weight doesn't have to be for everyone to see except the airline staff, does it? Where the loss of dignity come from?

People always claim beauty comes in all sizes, and now why do you think being seen fat is a loss of respect?
 
Old 10-29-2014, 10:28 AM
 
Location: City of Angels
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it is never about one's needs. It is about the resource required to move someone. And that includes 1) fuel to move the weight 2) space on board..
Someone has already shown this to be false in this thread, bott. The majority of weight an airline carrier is fuel and the aircraft itself. The difference in fuel costs for an empty aircraft vs a fully loaded aircraft are negligible, under $10 per passenger. You just seem to have a personal vendetta against big people, but life isn't fair bud.
 
Old 10-29-2014, 10:33 AM
 
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Does this "North Gulf Air" even exist? They don't have a web site and they're not even listed on the ATL airport list of airlines.

I often fly Cape Air and they always ask your weight (they don't actually weigh you), but that's so they can balance out the load on their little aircraft.
 
Old 10-29-2014, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Savannah GA/Lk Hopatcong NJ
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Does this "North Gulf Air" even exist? They don't have a web site and they're not even listed on the ATL airport list of airlines.

I often fly Cape Air and they always ask your weight (they don't actually weigh you), but that's so they can balance out the load on their little aircraft.
Exactly. The only airline I could find with "Gulf" in the name is Gulf Air and they are in Bahrain
 
Old 10-29-2014, 10:41 AM
 
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No, all the added costs are clearly stated when you purchase the ticket. What those airlines do is essentially unbundling the services people might or might not need, and only charge those who do need it. You only looked at the base fare thinking it is cheap and went for it. There are no gimmick here. You are supposed to pay for additional things on top of the base fare.

If you need everything a typical airline does or even more, you shouldn't consider a budget airline to start with.

For example, airlines charge a flat rate based on the assumption a passenger doesn't carry any bags. Any additional bags, let it be checked in or carry on, should come at additional cost. In this way, a person with no bag or a small purse won't end up subsidizing one with a 45 pound bag and a 20 pound carry on bag by paying exactly the same fare (as in the case with most regular airlines, which is NOT fair). And a passenger that doesn't want to eat lunch on board doesn't have to pay for it either.
Yes, well, designing such pricing tricks is my job so I am well aware of how it is marketed to the consumer. However, the prices are not related to the actual expenses incurred by the company even if that is the company's claim.
 
Old 10-29-2014, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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I fail to understand why weighing yourself is a loss of dignity.

Anyone can see by visual observation if one is fat or not. Knowing the exact weight doesn't make it worse. Do you think a 250lbs man can look skinny without being weighed?
But muscle is a lot more dense than fat, and you can get a lot of variation in terms of weight among people that have the same measurements depending on level of fitness. It's the classic "all NBA players are obese under BMI" argument. Just eyeballing someone who isn't dressed in skin tight clothes is a horribly inaccurate way of trying to figure out weight.
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