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Old 11-05-2014, 02:09 PM
 
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1) Oslo
2) Zurich
3) New York City
4) Bora Bora
5) Sydney
6) Tokyo
7) London
8) Las Vegas
9) Monte Carlo
10) Singapore

Well, this is not my list and some of the places I have never been to.

I will avoid Oslo and Zurich no matter what. Heard they are super expensive, and it is not like there is some great things to see not existing anywhere else.

NYC is expensive, mostly because of lodging, but considering what it offers, I don't think it belongs to the list. It is expensive but I don't say has low value - these are two different things.

London is the same. Although it is not as pricy as NYC.

Bora Bora is more about the boasting right of having been there just because it is remote and expensive. Nobody HAS to go there as there are plenty of equally beautiful islands elsewhere.

Tokyo - didn't find it too expensive at all. It is more budget friendly than San Francisco or Chicago.

Sydney - my colleague went there and told me how expensive it is. Well, I doubt a young Australian city can be THAT interesting to see, plus it is so far from Canada. I will pass, specially when beaches mean nothing to do.

Vegas - it is not expensive but I agree it has little value because there is absolutely nothing to see there. I understand gamblers who go there, but for non gamblers, going there for a "vacation" is just crass and stupid.

Monte Carlo - spent a few hours there, didn't spend a penny. Probably an upscale Vegas? No I shouldn't put it against Vegas as Monte Carlo is still a beautiful city with much to see. Expensive and probably not good value. But who will spend a lot of time in MC anyway.

Singapore - If you want to see a clean, dull and expensive city to show you have the means to fly 18 hours for nothing, this is where you go. I will put it before NYC.
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Old 11-05-2014, 05:31 PM
 
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The thing about Las Vegas now is that gaming revenue isn't enough to keep these mega casinos afloat. So food/bev, room rates, and other things have gotten really expensive to compensate. The prices wouldn't be out of line in NYC/LA, for instance, but in Vegas they seem out of place and erode the value of the place since I'm expecting to lose $xxxx gambling anyway.

Putting it another way...a $250 dinner for two in, say, Malibu isn't the same value/experience as a $250 dinner in Vegas next to some guy in a tank top burping up the Coors Light he had at the sports bar a half-hour ago.
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Old 11-05-2014, 08:26 PM
 
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Las Vegas is an interesting day or two after you've finished up the circle tour of Southwestern national parks and are waiting to catch your (relatively cheap) flight back home. I was actually expecting to hate it, but ended up wishing we'd gone for a full day there instead of just an overnight because it's interesting to poke around the excess for a limited time.

London- mid range hotels are not ample but can be found with some digging, and there's so much that's free there save the cost of a Tube pass to get there.
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Old 11-05-2014, 11:33 PM
 
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Las Vegas is an interesting day or two after you've finished up the circle tour of Southwestern national parks and are waiting to catch your (relatively cheap) flight back home. I was actually expecting to hate it, but ended up wishing we'd gone for a full day there instead of just an overnight because it's interesting to poke around the excess for a limited time.

London- mid range hotels are not ample but can be found with some digging, and there's so much that's free there save the cost of a Tube pass to get there.
You are right about both cities.

I would add that there are a lot of entertainment options concentrated in Las Vegas.

I guess I would also argue that the sites and history in London make the value of the city pretty good, despite the cost. In a sense, you get what you pay for in London. I think London, Rome and Jerusalem are probably the best cities the world to visit, based on the number of interesting historical and cultural sights.
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Old 11-06-2014, 07:25 AM
 
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Rome is cheap though, by European standard.
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Old 11-06-2014, 07:28 AM
 
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Las Vegas is an interesting day or two after you've finished up the circle tour of Southwestern national parks and are waiting to catch your (relatively cheap) flight back home. I was actually expecting to hate it, but ended up wishing we'd gone for a full day there instead of just an overnight because it's interesting to poke around the excess for a limited time.

London- mid range hotels are not ample but can be found with some digging, and there's so much that's free there save the cost of a Tube pass to get there.
I like LV only to have a nice meal and see a couple of shows. I don't gamble and don't like the sliminess of it. We only stay in hotels that offer the ability to get to our room without being exposed to the racket of a slot machine.
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Old 11-06-2014, 07:34 AM
 
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Rome is cheap though, by European standard.
It's usually one of the cheaper cities to fly to from the US, but we've found the lodging to be about the same as in other major European cities--except London--or even more expensive.

One nice thing about London is that there are a great many free or very low cost attractions. My biggest gripe is the cost of getting around--it's a really large and spread out city, and Tube/bus rides are spendy.

Rome is more compact, public transit is less expensive, and if you choose a hotel in the right area, you can walk almost everywhere.
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Old 11-06-2014, 07:53 AM
 
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It's usually one of the cheaper cities to fly to from the US, but we've found the lodging to be about the same as in other major European cities--except London--or even more expensive.

One nice thing about London is that there are a great many free or very low cost attractions. My biggest gripe is the cost of getting around--it's a really large and spread out city, and Tube/bus rides are spendy.

Rome is more compact, public transit is less expensive, and if you choose a hotel in the right area, you can walk almost everywhere.
I found Rome to be cheaper than those northern Italian cities such as Florence and Venice. It seems to be cheaper than Paris/French Riviera too.

Agree Rome is very easy to explore. I took the metro only once during all the site seeing, and it was not because I was too far from hotel, but because the streets are so complicated that I couldn't find my way back by walking

London tube is kind of expensive, but I think there is a daily cap beyond which all trips are free (10 pounds or something). I am ok with it since Toronto's transit cost is very high - a monthly pass $134 and a day pass $11 (and we have two subway lines only). Consider it is London we talk about, I have no complain about transit cost especially the London is the most efficient system I have ever taken (maybe tie with Tokyo's).
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Old 11-06-2014, 08:29 AM
 
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I found Rome to be cheaper than those northern Italian cities such as Florence and Venice. It seems to be cheaper than Paris/French Riviera too.

Agree Rome is very easy to explore. I took the metro only once during all the site seeing, and it was not because I was too far from hotel, but because the streets are so complicated that I couldn't find my way back by walking

London tube is kind of expensive, but I think there is a daily cap beyond which all trips are free (10 pounds or something). I am ok with it since Toronto's transit cost is very high - a monthly pass $134 and a day pass $11 (and we have two subway lines only). Consider it is London we talk about, I have no complain about transit cost especially the London is the most efficient system I have ever taken (maybe tie with Tokyo's).
I have found Venice and Florence to be less costly than Rome for lodging. Paris is more expensive than Rome, probably more than anywhere other than London for lodging.

At least in London you can find lovely flats for rent at a reasonable price. The modern 1BR/1BA with a full kitchen, W/D, and tons of amenities in a fantastic location I have booked for an upcoming London trip works out to $280 a day including cleaning fee and black cab transport from LHR on the day of arrival. I was looking for something similar in Paris and was up to almost $400 before I could find it. That didn't include transport from CDG.

When we stay someplace for a week or more, we prefer a flat rental as it gets tiring eating out all the time and we'd prefer to make some simple meals ourselves and have some quiet evenings in. We also like the convenience of a W/D in the flat and room to spread out.

As to the Rome metro, we use it a lot in the later evening. We feel safer riding the metro/bus than walking through neighborhoods we don't know well enough to make a sound judgement call on safety at night. We've never been out past midnight unless right in the area around our hotel, but that's the one time I'd probably spring for a cab in Rome. (Our rule of thumb on London is midnight to 5:00 am we take cabs. We use "midnight" as if we are out that late we've probably been drinking. )
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Old 11-06-2014, 11:30 AM
 
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I found Rome to be cheaper than those northern Italian cities such as Florence and Venice. It seems to be cheaper than Paris/French Riviera too.
I agree with this. Hotels in Rome are very reasonable even in the peak season. Florence and Venice are very expensive - so I don't know what the other poster is talking about!

I think the cheapest hotels you can find in Rome are beside the main bus terminal (called Termini, I think). It is a very convenient location and one can easily find nice hotel room there for under $75
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