U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Travel
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 12-27-2014, 11:43 AM
 
5,467 posts, read 2,927,038 times
Reputation: 24553

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrolman View Post
There are two sides to every story, something I learned from being a cop for 40 years.

Playing the devil's advocate, not everyone flies commercially for happy occasions. Perhaps this individual was on his way to visit a very ill family member/acquaintance or attend a funeral. Some people do get seriously sick or die at the Holidays. 38 years ago, I buried my wife on Christmas Eve and needless to say, I did not have a very Merry Christmas and haven't had one since.
I am sorry about your wife.

Thank you for posting your response. You are so correct, not everyone flies for happy occasions.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 12-27-2014, 12:45 PM
 
26,590 posts, read 54,607,588 times
Reputation: 13019
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrolman View Post
There are two sides to every story, something I learned from being a cop for 40 years.

Playing the devil's advocate, not everyone flies commercially for happy occasions. Perhaps this individual was on his way to visit a very ill family member/acquaintance or attend a funeral. Some people do get seriously sick or die at the Holidays. 38 years ago, I buried my wife on Christmas Eve and needless to say, I did not have a very Merry Christmas and haven't had one since.
I'm sorry for your loss.

That said, do you flip out on someone who wishes you a Merry Christmas? I tend to doubt it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-27-2014, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Colorado
2,483 posts, read 3,538,304 times
Reputation: 2674
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrolman View Post
There are two sides to every story, something I learned from being a cop for 40 years. Playing the devil's advocate, not everyone flies commercially for happy occasions. Perhaps this individual was on his way to visit a very ill family member/acquaintance or attend a funeral. Some people do get seriously sick or die at the Holidays. 38 years ago, I buried my wife on Christmas Eve and needless to say, I did not have a very Merry Christmas and haven't had one since.
YES... a million reps to you for bringing this out! And sincere condolences of course. It's good to know that at least some cops think that way. I'm always a little disturbed by people seeing things in B&W, cops or not.

People read news articles, hear half a story, or even witness something as a third party and they end up jumping to conclusions that can cause more societal problems in the big picture than the act itself. Even sad circumstances aren't an excuse for illegal or otherwise unacceptable behavior, but we really need to be careful of scapegoating whenever someone grossly misbehaves. Whatever he did, he paid a penalty for it. It's not fitting to throw the rest of the world's sickness on his back just because his actions were absurd enough and public enough to make the news.

As for the holidays. I don't celebrate them. Not Thanksgiving, Christmas, Hanukkah, Ramadan or anything else that the world would recognize as an actual holiday. When people wish me merry christmas, I know that the spirit behind it is that they mean well for me, so I find no offense in it. I do wonder why they assume everyone they meet celebrates whatever they do and I want to ask them if they've ever examined the origins of those things... but of course I don't bring it up unless they ask. Rather, I just say 'thank you' without saying 'you too'.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-27-2014, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
4,825 posts, read 1,990,474 times
Reputation: 5267
Quote:
Originally Posted by NJBest View Post
This isn't a war on Christmas. This is an idiot, and perhaps, a mentally unbalanced individual overreacting to a small mistake.
This particular over reaction is way too common to be written off. I resent your reference to the greeting as a mistake. When someone wishes me a happy Chanukah, I say the same thing back knowing that they wished me something good.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-27-2014, 04:15 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
13,358 posts, read 7,029,060 times
Reputation: 4857
If it were the case that this man's behavior ultimately stemmed from a personal tragedy, it would go a little way in explaining how he acted. However, it would not make his behavior even the slightest bit more acceptable. He did not just reply with a snarky comment, but was disorderly to the point that he was booted from the flight. The world does not owe you a debt just because you've experienced a tragedy. You must still behave yourself.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-27-2014, 04:21 PM
 
Location: southern california
55,668 posts, read 74,637,859 times
Reputation: 48184
TSA screens for weapons but not crazies. anybody that has got a credit card can buy a ticket you dont have to be sane. kicking angry violent albeit unarmed people off the plane before you take off is a wonderful idea.
i love that term "unarmed man". i was almost kicked to death by "unarmed man" people.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-27-2014, 07:42 PM
 
Location: the Permian Basin
4,196 posts, read 3,086,566 times
Reputation: 5892
Quote:
Originally Posted by merv1225 View Post
Really?? With all this controversy over what to say, you want to penalize someone for opting to be on the safe side and choosing to say nothing?
There should be no controversy. Unless you're in the company of Jewish folks (who celebrate Hanukkah), "Merry Christmas" is the appropriate thing to say. "Happy holidays" is a subterfuge.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-27-2014, 07:46 PM
 
Location: the Permian Basin
4,196 posts, read 3,086,566 times
Reputation: 5892
Quote:
Originally Posted by longnecker View Post
There are also others who do not celebrate either Christmas or Hanukkah.
You either missed the point or were attempting to sidestep it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-27-2014, 09:03 PM
 
9,029 posts, read 16,436,151 times
Reputation: 6814
Here a nice flowchart to keep in mind this season

Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-28-2014, 12:01 AM
 
Location: Retired in Malibu/La Quinta/Flagstaff
1,324 posts, read 1,329,114 times
Reputation: 4389
Quote:
Originally Posted by annerk View Post
I'm sorry for your loss.

That said, do you flip out on someone who wishes you a Merry Christmas? I tend to doubt it.
First off, my thanks to everyone who passed along their condolences for my loss.

You are 100% correct, I don't "flip out" when someone wishes me a Merry Christmas, or any other holiday greeting, for that matter.

I have no idea why the individual in question acted the way he did and were I in his position, I would not have acted that way, either. However, I've never walked in his shoes and don't know where his mind was at the time of the incident. The actions taken to remove him from the flight were appropriate, I just wouldn't be so swift to condemn him until I got his side of the story.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Travel
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top