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Old 08-04-2015, 06:10 PM
 
Location: 2 blocks from bay in L.I, NY
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TinBo,

Consider oil and gas companies in Houston, TX. It is a large industry that offers many facets of career choices both in the office or out in the field. The companies may be based in the US (or an international company with an office in the US) but almost always have offices in various places around the world in which you can transfer to after getting your foot in the door. The pay starts off good and only gets better as you stay with it. The good thing is the work is usually contracted for 1-2 years at a time in some positions so this frees you up to move around. There are very few African-Americans in this field although there are a few African nationals as well as other non-Black foreign nationals. Do the research by looking into oil and gas companies to apply for an internship with.

As far as people looking at you and making assumptions, accept the fact that you can not control what goes on in other people's head anymore than they can control what goes on in yours. Carry yourself and conduct your behavior the way that you wish to be treated and go from there. Decent people will treat you decently. Idiots, regardless of race, will be idiots but they can not stop you unless you stop moving because of them. Keep it moving knowing that there are decent Whites, Blacks, and all others out there who will give you an opportunity, friendship, relationship, etc. Best wishes to you!
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Old 08-05-2015, 12:42 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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OP, I knew a guy (in southern CA) who majored in geology then got his masters in GIS. I don't know how much programming/coding it involved since he got the MA instead of MS, but it still seems like an in-demand field. He worked for the U.S. Navy (he was with a temp agency--he didn't have to enlist) while getting his grad degree at night.

I really think you should look at the western states in America. California has strict environmental regulations so GIS is needed. And of course there are federal government jobs that would allow you to work anywhere.

You asked about learning Spanish. You likely learned Castillian (from the country of Spain) Spanish in school, so if you go to Colombia I suggest taking a conversational Spanish class that focuses on Latin American variations of Spanish. There are clubs on Meetup.com where you can converse with native speakers. You could also watch TV shows and movies and listen to Latin music with lyrics to supplement your learning.

If you have felt sheltered and unnerved from your home school upbringing, I don't know that a chaotic third world country like the Philippines, Brazil, or Thailand is the place to start your overseas life alone. And sometimes Asian countries harbor more prejudices about dark skin than white countries. I still think you should keep Australia on the list; they've had a work visa program for Brits and Canadians for years, and recently opened it up to Americans. I have had people tell me that they are racist toward the Aborigines, that they see them as a backward people and are waiting for them to die out, but I don't know if that would translate to a black American in a science field, esp. if you stay in the urban areas. As for interracial dating, I don't know. I'm a woman and have only dating within the U.S. But if you move to Brazil, Colombia, or Houston you're still looking at a lot of crime. Of course it depends on the area you live in, but you said you wanted a place where people hardly have any guns...Australia would fit the bill. Canada and New Zealand have guns but enjoy low crime rates and will probably have the geological type jobs you seek.
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Old 08-05-2015, 02:40 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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1) Living and working internationally is a good gig ONCE you have had some experience and can offer benefit to your employer. Your race will only benefit you to entitlements in the USA, other nations will EXPECT you to deliver / put out more effort.

2) EMS / civil firefighter will be EZ to get in USA due to your race. Other more qualified candidates who happen to be Caucasian do not get those jobs if contested by a person of color or gender diversity,

3) you state a lot of career / development options. Narrow it down (while keeping yourself diversified)

4) don't even consider homeschooling as a deterrent / excuse. Life is what you make / made of it.
My 'homeschooled' kids did all our budgeting and travel planning while they were age 5 - 12 and living overseas.

They were indentured into a skilled trade profession at age 12. built their own houses at 14 and were in college by age 16 (paid 100% by state). One was a paid firefighter and lived at the station 100% of time from age 18 until 25. He made serious dough in summer as a wildland fire engine boss, and helicopter medic. Other kid did AK fishing in summers (~$50k). Both excelled in their relationships with adults (each tutored / paid mentor positions in college). Life is what they made of it (now 15 yrs beyond Home school) They each still travel worldwide, volunteer in community, and are doing quite well.
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Old 08-07-2015, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Memphis, TN
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I'm hearing that I should consider Australia, especially if I am absolutely determined to go abroad after college, but that a better route would be to find work in an oil company in Houston, TX, or an environmental team somewhere on the West Coast of the US. Then after about a year or two of work and life experience, move to Australia.

The thing is, I don't hate the idea of living in a place with guns, it's just that I don't want to live in a place where there's a lot of crime, nearly every criminal has a gun, but I can barely, if at all, carry one myself for protection. I just want to live someplace where I can protect myself, or at least where the chances of me being helpless while being held at gunpoint just from walking around or staying in my own home is lower than in Memphis. I realize that this probably means looking at a lot of statistics.

From what I hear, Australia is a safe place, but they still have some issues with crime due to the gun ban.

@StealthRabbit Career-wise, I'm still a bit undecided. I can work with satellites and GIS, as well as with mining companies and what-not with an Earth Science and GIS certificate, and it would allow me to go to more places, but I have a bit more interest in Firefighting work, or some kind of work where I help people. I'm not interested in being a nurse or a doctor, but I'm willing to get the medical training needed to do rescue work, except that I'm kind of committed to Earth Science study, for now.

My dream job would be something where I would get to use my own physical capabilities and my technical skills to help people, save people, and help control disasters. Like some sort of Firefighting engineer, or Coast Guard or SARs Field Technician. I chose Earth Science because it seemed like something at my college that I felt was of interest to me, would get me good-enough pay to live comfortably on, and would contribute to my skill set and knowledge in the lines of work I'm interested in. I enjoy journalism work, but it's not something I want to/expect to make a living off of.

I've just recently have figured out and feel like I'm in the position to make my life whatever I want it to be. Back when I was 8, 12, 14, etc., I didn't even know I had these opportunities. I lived out in the country, and spent most of my days playing video games.

I don't even know how to drive, and am just recently beginning to get more control over my finances. I don't know if it's because my family is poor, or if it's just because I didn't try hard enough, or if it's because no one showed me what opportunities I had and things I can do. Now I'm in college, just now learning these things and struggling with them, and really trying to get out on my own so I can have more control over my life.

What were some of the steps your kid took to become a paid firefighter? I'm interested in the idea of possibly taking a firefighter internship or job over the next summer break, if I manage to stay in Memphis, this time. I understand that this most likely will require me to get my driver's license, which is fine, I'll find a way. I'm also taking a first-aid course this semester, at the UofM.

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Old 08-08-2015, 05:22 PM
 
Location: NoVa
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I've lived there. You do not want to be outside Melbourne or Sydney as a person of colour.
Agreed, also based on personal experience from living there as a person of color. If you think Alabama is redneck, wait till you meet the Australian hillbillies.

OP, come to DC or Northern Virginia. Plenty of consulting work as GIS Specialist, even at entry level. You'll make decent money to save for your travel. The place is diverse and dating scene is good (so I heard).
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Old 08-08-2015, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Memphis, TN
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I will consider DC and Northern Virginia.

I've tried narrowing down what my career paths are based on interest, if not capability:

Rescue: (Forest) Firefighting, Smoke Jumping, EMS, SARs

Journalism: (Freelance) Journalist, Reporter, Photographer

Earth Science: GIS, Mining, Oil Drilling, Urban Planning

I'm a bit more interested in Rescue work than I am Earth Science work, but I am still interested in Earth Science work, and I assume that it pays better. Journalism is something that I enjoy, but I just don't think I can make the kind of living I want off it for the rest of my life.
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Old 08-08-2015, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Durham, North Carolina
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Default You're stubborn

My young brother... reading your posts and the responses made me cringe... almost as if I was watching a traffic accident about to happen.

The BIGGEST problems you face ... right now... is not your ethnicity nor your academic skills... it's your hard head. People are trying to tell you point blank... and you're ignoring the advice based upon what it sounds like... you WANT to believe.

I'm 62 years old.
Black.
And very well traveled.

Here's my take on your current dilemma:

FORGET IDEALISM.
This is 2015 and Journalism is dead. BUT... eBooks and Amazon's "CreateSpace" has made it easier than ever to self-publish. So you can get your "Writing Jones" fixed, and make some passive income at the same time. Also ... when you travel to other countries, being a "Journalist" is one of the FASTEST ways to get killed or land in prison. (And it sounds like you love to talk... so you'd be in big trouble fast.)

]THAILAND, the Philippines??? ???
Those days are OVER black man.
I spent two of the best years of my life in Thailand ... IN THE EARLY 70s. I returned three years ago and was shocked at how the Western media and dysfunctional "Westerners" (i.e. American sexpats and Eurotrash) have corrupted the Thais. They have become extremely arrogant and RACIST.

Australia??

Another racist country... but if you have an degree in Engineering Technology.. MINING ... you're in the cat's bird seat regardless where you go. I've met some brothers from African countries who work in Canada and Australia. They enjoy their work and they can afford to travel. You may have a good time in Australia ... but why leave the U.S. to go to a country with such a HUGE racist history???

Brazil?
You may enjoy it... and don't worry about learning ANY language. You'll learn if you're motivated and take some classes when you first arrive. (IF your job isn't attached to you being fluent before you arrive.) But you won't be running AWAY from crime there.

Columbia?? Guyana??? French Guyana??
Are you SERIOUS?? Do you have any idea of the levels of poverty and crime in those places?? The U.S. will seem like Iceland in comparison. MEXICO?? Are you KIDDING?? You're afraid of crime in the U.S.-- so you're thinking about going TO MEXICO???

Israel???????? ???? ?????
Young blood.... you're really making me laugh! A BLACK man in .... Israel .... hoping to escape VIOLENCE??? They beat up Ethiopia JEWS who grew up there and are in military uniform. Forget them... and FORGET ALL ARAB countries too!

And forget becoming a Computer Programer... unless you take a class and find you LOVE it.

You have to do what you love or you'll burn out. There are a K-Zillion unemployed, burnt out computer science people driving trucks or sitting in coffee shops. DO WHAT YOU LOVE.... not what you like or can tolerate.

Hey... but always look for the "Middle Path" Vs. "All or Nothing Thinking."

I don't think a lot of majoring in geography nor journalism ... but if you put the two together .... by taking some Technical Writing courses, you may be onto something.

California (Menlo Park) and Seattle (The Northwest) both have huge concerns about earthquakes. A lot of scientist have writing problems. They need science writers. Take about three classes and one on "White Papers."

Now here's my BEST suggestion for you:
You like the idea of being a smoke jumper??
HARD... DANGEROUS WORK for little pay... and ... did you say EMT?? LOW PAY??

Dude... life is going to change for you. You're going to want to attract a woman to marry.
Those ideas aren't mature nor will they make you enough money to support a family.

Forget the idea that life is safer outside the U.S.
Violence is everywhere. As hard as it seems... you actually have more "Rule of Law" going for you here than as a non-citizen overseas.
Forget the notion that guns are bad. (Japan has really low gun violence ... but they have really HIGH knife deaths. )
Forget that the U.S. military is "all bad" and that everyone in those other branches are engaged daily in hand-to-hand combat.

JOIN THE MILITARY.
  • You like adventure
  • You have a great chance of traveling
  • MOST people in the military rarely even see a gun, let alone carry one... (It's called, "the tail that wags the dragon... most jobs support the mission ... so it's like a often BORING 9-to-5 job rather than Rambo)...
  • AND... you need some time to mature.
  • You're dying to leave home and the military gives those of us a cushion to grow up before totally going out on our own.
  • And if you finish college... YOU CAN TEST FOR OFFICER CANDIDATE SCHOOL... and live a high status life.
  • You can RETIRE at the early age of 40 ... and move onto something or just go fishing!

"EVERYTHING YOU WANT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF FEAR."
Stop.. STOP basing your decisions on fear.
The world is currently in a racist, "Mini-Dark Ages" ... so there's no place to run. There's literally NO PLACE for a black man to "escape" to. This means we're going to have to CREATE our safe-havens. For that, you need more skills and worldly experience.

Stop fearing violence and crime ... and expect it to be there. The world is going to be increasingly fascist before it gets better. But if you have the RIGHT education ... this Corporatocracy will make a place for you.
  1. THINK NAVY. (They have the best training.) They may even pay you to get a Masters if they need the career field you're in.
  2. Air Force... As an Air Force Officer or even an Enlisted man with your background, you will NEVER carry arms unless you want to.
  3. Coast Guard! Absolutely NOTHING wrong with the Coast Guard. People don't know, but Coasties are stationed all over the world. But you're basing your decision on fear... which is not good...

Even the Army ain't bad. They have a ton of career fields and they make rank fast. (Forget the Marines. And never enter the Merchant Marines... far, FAR too racist.)

In other words ... what you want to do is STRENGTHEN yourself for the realities of the world... not wish them away. With "Divide and Conquer" being the siren song of the day... having a gun and a badge isn't even a bad idea. Brazil?? Did you know those guys grow up learning jiu-jitsu like we learned to play Basketball?? And the racist Philippines??? They have martial arts that focus on sticks ... and another on knives.. and there's a TON of crime and violence over there. NO. No. no.
  • Don't avoid states based upon location.
  • Dick Gregory once said: "If you're anywhere south of the Canadian border, you're "Down South."
  • Instead, get strong.
  • Build your confidence.
  • Ignore knuckleheads of ALL ethnicities.
There's some great opportunities in all regions of the country. Atlanta, Georgia ... can be awesome if you pick the right suburb. After you have made some of the right contacts in the military, Washington DC can be your call to WEALTH. Houston is a little hot for me... but I hear a lot of good things about Austin.

Word is... once you have your degrees, your career ... your experience as an officer (... it's advisable to do something young to distance yourself from the millions of others with degrees...), and you've attracted a GOOD wife (... that's a whole 'nuther book...), then it really doesn't matter where you live... as long as it's not most of those places you named and ... you avoid places like Missouri, Oklahoma, South Carolina, and Mississippi ..

If you avoid the drinking and the drugs, you're actually coming through at a VERY good time. If you can learn that you grow when you're outside your comfort zone, you're going to do well. Have fun... oh... and find some great math tutors. (And stop calling idiots, "Sir" ... unless they're in uniform ... and um... carrying a gun. )

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Old 08-09-2015, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Memphis, TN
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Well...I think you have some good advice here, but excuse me for being skeptical about the military, because I still am. It's funny, because so many people I've met, war veterans, say that it was a mistake of theirs to join the military, but here you are, a 62-year-old Black man, telling me it's a good option. You've got me a little curious.

You do have some points, though. Afterall, you're one of the few people I've gotten a response from that, as far as I know, is African-American.

I still have an interest in Engineering Technology, but I'm running into financial troubles, and I'm sure family troubles, pretty soon. That's why I decided to minor in it, so I can get out of college quicker, still get a degree, and go out into the world and grow some more. I feel like all I'm learning right now in college is how to hate.

It's nice to hear that Brazil is a good option...that's all I can really think of to say, right there. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say I still say that I'm not afraid of violence or action. I'm just afraid of being put in a defenseless position. Still, I get what you're saying.

Although I'm skeptical about joining the military, and still don't really want to, I do have a lot of respect for, and kind of admire people in the military, and I do have a desire to be strong and to do some real good for others. I also do like the sound of a good adventure. Also, although I've decided to fancy myself a loner after the bull**** I keep having to put up with in people at school, the truth is I kind of like the idea of being a part of a team.

The military sounds like an almost perfect match for me. The only other thing that bothers me about the military, besides the idea of possibly being sent to fight something I don't want to fight for someone else's agenda, is the idea of a 6 year commitment. I've already wasted enough time in my teenhood not learning anything, I'm very cautious about the idea of committing that much time to something I may find out I do not like, or find to be absolutely awful, to me.

I tell you what: Let me go through this next semester of Earth Science, or even maybe through a full school year or even let me go to graduation, do some research on my own (preferably offline), try some things and work on some health issues and making myself stronger this school year, maybe do some travelling, if possible, and I will let you know what my attitude about the idea of joining the Coast Guard or Navy is by then.

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Old 08-09-2015, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Silver Spring, MD
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JOIN THE MILITARY.
  • You like adventure
  • You have a great chance of traveling
  • MOST people in the military rarely even see a gun, let alone carry one... (It's called, "the tail that wags the dragon... most jobs support the mission ... so it's like a often BORING 9-to-5 job rather than Rambo)...
  • AND... you need some time to mature.
  • You're dying to leave home and the military gives those of us a cushion to grow up before totally going out on our own.
  • And if you finish college... YOU CAN TEST FOR OFFICER CANDIDATE SCHOOL... and live a high status life.
  • You can RETIRE at the early age of 40 ... and move onto something or just go fishing!

"EVERYTHING YOU WANT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF FEAR."
Stop.. STOP basing your decisions on fear.
The world is currently in a racist, "Mini-Dark Ages" ... so there's no place to run. There's literally NO PLACE for a black man to "escape" to. This means we're going to have to CREATE our safe-havens. For that, you need more skills and worldly experience.

Stop fearing violence and crime ... and expect it to be there. The world is going to be increasingly fascist before it gets better. But if you have the RIGHT education ... this Corporatocracy will make a place for you.
  1. THINK NAVY. (They have the best training.) They may even pay you to get a Masters if they need the career field you're in.
  2. Air Force... As an Air Force Officer or even an Enlisted man with your background, you will NEVER carry arms unless you want to.
  3. Coast Guard! Absolutely NOTHING wrong with the Coast Guard. People don't know, but Coasties are stationed all over the world. But you're basing your decision on fear... which is not good...

Even the Army ain't bad. They have a ton of career fields and they make rank fast. (Forget the Marines. And never enter the Merchant Marines... far, FAR too racist.)
This is really good advice. Joining the military after graduating with a valuable degree can set you up for a different experience than just enlisting. A friend of mine joined the Navy after he graduated from dental school. He started off as an Lieutenant, which will start you off at a pretty good salary, in addition he has been stationed in Florida, Maryland, Virginia, Hawaii, and will soon be stationed in California He has also been sent to the Middle East and Europe. He is also not likely to ever be in a situation where he is at high risk for being near combat.

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Well...I think you have some good advice here, but excuse me for being skeptical about the military, because I still am. It's funny, because so many people I've met, war veterans, say that it was a mistake of theirs to join the military, but here you are, a 62-year-old Black man, telling me it's a good option. You've got me a little curious.

You do have some points, though. Afterall, you're one of the few people I've gotten a response from that, as far as I know, is African-American.

I still have an interest in Engineering Technology, but I'm running into financial troubles, and I'm sure family troubles, pretty soon. That's why I decided to minor in it, so I can get out of college quicker, still get a degree, and go out into the world and grow some more. I feel like all I'm learning right now in college is how to hate.

It's nice to hear that Brazil is a good option...that's all I can really think of to say, right there. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say I still say that I'm not afraid of violence or action. I'm just afraid of being put in a defenseless position. Still, I get what you're saying.

Although I'm skeptical about joining the military, and still don't really want to, I do have a lot of respect for, and kind of admire people in the military, and I do have a desire to be strong and to do some real good for others. I also do like the sound of a good adventure. Also, although I've decided to fancy myself a loner after the bull**** I keep having to put up with in people at school, the truth is I kind of like the idea of being a part of a team.

The military sounds like an almost perfect match for me. The only other thing that bothers me about the military, besides the idea of possibly being sent to fight something I don't want to fight for someone else's agenda, is the idea of a 6 year commitment. I've already wasted enough time in my teenhood not learning anything, I'm very cautious about the idea of committing that much time to something I may find out I do not like, or find to be absolutely awful, to me.

I tell you what: Let me go through this next semester of Earth Science, or even maybe through a full school year or even let me go to graduation, do some research on my own (preferably offline), try some things and work on some health issues and making myself stronger this school year, maybe do some travelling, if possible, and I will let you know what my attitude about the idea of joining the Coast Guard or Navy is by then.
You say that you're worried about a six year commitment, but if you are able to join as an officer and put in 20 years you will be able to retire with a full pension and be in your mid 40's which means that you will be young enough to continue your career in the private sector so you get two salaries. Also I'm not sure how the military helps with student loans but it is possible that they may be able to help in that regard.
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Old 08-09-2015, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Memphis, TN
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Well, I just want to make sure that it's something that I really want to do, before I commit 6/10 of a decade of my life to it, is what I mean. If the military, especially the coast guard or Navy, is a good way to actually help people, see new places, get some life experience to grow on, not have to worry about finding a job AS MUCH, and even a way to be on a team or make friends, then that sounds great. It's just I often hear so many bad things about the military. Not that I expect to have some horrible experience.

Also, I got to decide whether or not if I'm willing to stay committed to this country. My father and some other people that I've talked to about the US and the military make this country sound so bad and like it has so much hatred and legal and political corruption in it, and like any day now, everything is either going to become a fascist state, or collapse into near Anarchy. But when I look to other places, most other places sound like they're just as bad, if not worse, than the US when it comes to things like interracial dating, and freedom. The only time living in another country sounds like a good option is if you're middle-class, White, and have some teaching or engineering degree, or something.

In some ways, I can see why so many people in other countries still think of the US as the shining example of freedom. Especially in terms of how you choose to live your life, and who you choose to date.

This kind of makes me wonder if I even WANT to leave the US for the rest of my life, and if it is even feasible. Especially since I still care about my family and want to still be able to be there for them. By joining the military, I'm guessing that I won't be able to come to their aid, but I can sure help them through the POSSIBLE benefits I could get from being in the military.

In the end, I think joining the military, and almost anything else, would be a better option than spending another six or more years of my life at home working a dead-end job.
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