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Old 10-21-2017, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Tennessee/Michigan
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British Airways says it is investigating,

British Airways has apologized to a family who say they had little option but to let the bedbugs bite on a flight from Vancouver to London earlier this month. Heather Szilagyi—a former hotel worker who knows a bedbug when she sees one—says she discreetly alerted a flight attendant when she spotted several of the insects early in the flight, but was told there wasn't much that could be done.

Family: We Were 'Covered' in Bedbug Bites After Flight
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Old 10-21-2017, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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British Airways says it is investigating,

British Airways has apologized to a family who say they had little option but to let the bedbugs bite on a flight from Vancouver to London earlier this month. Heather Szilagyi—a former hotel worker who knows a bedbug when she sees one—says she discreetly alerted a flight attendant when she spotted several of the insects early in the flight, but was told there wasn't much that could be done.

Family: We Were 'Covered' in Bedbug Bites After Flight
Interesting problem. So get up and refuse to sit in the seat. Now what? Well the Flight Attendants could pull the seats apart and clean it up...can be done. Or they could give the passengers the FA jump seats and sit with the bed bugs. Or they could find out if they really had no seats available.

Sometimes you just have to refuse to be abused. And if the Airline pushes it they lose.
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Old 10-21-2017, 07:46 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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Similar issues from fleas from 'lap dogs' emotional support animals... flying as 'companions'.

Had one right behind me last week and we had 3 rows itching by the time we completed the 3 hr flight.
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Old 10-22-2017, 08:52 AM
 
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Similar issues from fleas from 'lap dogs' emotional support animals... flying as 'companions'.

Had one right behind me last week and we had 3 rows itching by the time we completed the 3 hr flight.
That's why the airlines should require a letter from a vet regarding the animal's health, not just for shipping an animal. A letter from a vet not only protects the passengers, but also the animal.

I love animals, but these therapy animals are getting out of hand. No one likes unnecessary government regulation, but when people abuse the system, sometimes, it's necessary. I sat on a flight this summer where there were 2 therapy dogs sitting across from each in the aisle. Clearly, these were not trained service animals. It was a full flight and the dogs kept barking and pulling at their leashes to go meet each other. What a terrible flight for the people sitting next to those dogs.
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Old 10-22-2017, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ > Raleigh, NC
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Interesting problem. So get up and refuse to sit in the seat. Now what? Well the Flight Attendants could pull the seats apart and clean it up...can be done. Or they could give the passengers the FA jump seats and sit with the bed bugs. Or they could find out if they really had no seats available.

Sometimes you just have to refuse to be abused. And if the Airline pushes it they lose.
That behavior will earn you a trip with the security team or cops at the other end of the flight. And maybe even an emergency stop. https://lifehacker.com/11-things-tha...w-t-1793838725

Jump seats for a passenger? Maybe. I've seen it done for I'll passengers who need to be closer to restrooms or bent over. But they are required to return to their seats for landing or ANY time the staff needs to be seated belted during turbulence.

Cleaning up bedbugs is complicated and difficult. It's absolutely not going to be accomplished by the crew during a flight.

The solution here might have been simple: request that the seats be covered in plastic garbage bags and/or blankets.

It sounds to me that both the passengers and British Air handled a difficult, unfortunate situation with class. I widh more people and companies behaved like sensible adults (including those ESA pet owners that are doing nothing to deserve their special status.
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Old 10-22-2017, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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That behavior will earn you a trip with the security team or cops at the other end of the flight. And maybe even an emergency stop. https://lifehacker.com/11-things-tha...w-t-1793838725

Jump seats for a passenger? Maybe. I've seen it done for I'll passengers who need to be closer to restrooms or bent over. But they are required to return to their seats for landing or ANY time the staff needs to be seated belted during turbulence.

Cleaning up bedbugs is complicated and difficult. It's absolutely not going to be accomplished by the crew during a flight.

The solution here might have been simple: request that the seats be covered in plastic garbage bags and/or blankets.

It sounds to me that both the passengers and British Air handled a difficult, unfortunate situation with class. I widh more people and companies behaved like sensible adults (including those ESA pet owners that are doing nothing to deserve their special status.
Sorry but the FA cannot force you to do something that potentially damages you. The situation leads to a standoff. The plastic bags might be a reasonable solution. But no FA and flight crews cannot force you to do anything that may damage your body. Same old rule. You do not have to agree to do anything that causes damage.

I have seen passengers end up in a jump seat a couple of times. In one case a row was occupied by a heart attack victim and they put one civilian in a jump seat for the landing.
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Old 10-22-2017, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ > Raleigh, NC
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Sorry but the FA cannot force you to do something that potentially damages you. The situation leads to a standoff. The plastic bags might be a reasonable solution. But no FA and flight crews cannot force you to do anything that may damage your body. Same old rule. You do not have to agree to do anything that causes damage.

I have seen passengers end up in a jump seat a couple of times. In one case a row was occupied by a heart attack victim and they put one civilian in a jump seat for the landing.
Heart attack is an emergency. Bed bugs are uncomfortable, but not an emergency.

Refuse to return to your seat all you want. I've no doubt that the airline pilot would have landed as soon as possible and had you escorted to off the plane. And I wouldn't have blamed him/her.

And if you refused to return to your seat during landing, I'm hopeful that the Air Marshall would have forced you back into the seat so that the flight crew (and you) would be safe during landing. WHATEVER the situation, no one has the right to put other passengers and crew at risk while on a flight.

You're just plain legally wrong here. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/46504
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Old 10-22-2017, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Heart attack is an emergency. Bed bugs are uncomfortable, but not an emergency.

Refuse to return to your seat all you want. I've no doubt that the airline pilot would have landed as soon as possible and had you escorted to off the plane. And I wouldn't have blamed him/her.

And if you refused to return to your seat during landing, I'm hopeful that the Air Marshall would have forced you back into the seat so that the flight crew (and you) would be safe during landing. WHATEVER the situation, no one has the right to put other passengers and crew at risk while on a flight.

You're just plain legally wrong here. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/46504
Read your own cite.

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An individual on an aircraft in the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States who, by assaulting or intimidating a flight crew member or flight attendant of the aircraft....
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There is no assault or intimidation involved.

They might theoretically land and throw you off. But it is very doubtful. Note that you would not be sitting in this theoretical landing either. I did somewhere between 5 and 6 million miles over 30 years. Saw any number of incidents. Never saw a plane do an unscheduled landing. Once watched a British TV star get up and change his clothes on short final...and it was reasonably clear he did it every flight.

These things are much more negotiable than you seem to realize.
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Old 10-22-2017, 12:51 PM
 
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The bites wouldn't bother me as much as the possibility of taking them home with me.
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Old 10-22-2017, 01:54 PM
 
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That's why the airlines should require a letter from a vet regarding the animal's health, not just for shipping an animal. A letter from a vet not only protects the passengers, but also the animal.

I love animals, but these therapy animals are getting out of hand. No one likes unnecessary government regulation, but when people abuse the system, sometimes, it's necessary. I sat on a flight this summer where there were 2 therapy dogs sitting across from each in the aisle. Clearly, these were not trained service animals. It was a full flight and the dogs kept barking and pulling at their leashes to go meet each other. What a terrible flight for the people sitting next to those dogs.
I wholeheartedly agree but once the three words "its a therapy dog" are uttered. It beomes a legal issue and the business can get sued. So we all sufffer.

Hubs said one was at the gym yesterday, acting out of control. That is no therapy dog, we all know it.

Fleas ugh. I had a dog that got fleas being outside once. They got in the house 2 days before I was taking a long trip. Thank God.
He went to the farm he stayed at, they attended to him and all the fleas died while I was gone. Guess I forgot to give him a dose of flea killer.
If they make you itch, they will leave a red welt that takes a long time to heal.

I never thought about fleas on a plane, I have dog and cat allergies, carry an epi so I'm prepared. Amazing these animals have MORE rights than those of us who are allergic to them. Sometimes they withhold penauts if a kid has alleergies. It been about 8 years since I have flown and there wasn't an animal on a plane.

Hate BA for the food, now I have a better reason.

Wanna hear more about the British TV star changing his clothes.....

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