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Old 11-19-2017, 08:04 AM
 
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By the same metrics, NYC isn't a big city in the same sense that Shanghai is. Shanghai has almost 3x the population of NYC. NYC is not in the top 20 of most populous cities in the world.
This is a bit off the original topic, but NYC and Shanghai are about the same size population wise. 20 vs 23 million.
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Old 11-19-2017, 10:03 AM
 
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By the same metrics, NYC isn't a big city in the same sense that Shanghai is. Shanghai has almost 3x the population of NYC. NYC is not in the top 20 of most populous cities in the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities

If we go by Urban Area (my favorite), NYC has 24 million and Shanghai has 23 million. If you go by metropolitan area, NYC has 20 million and Shanghai has 35 million people. In neither ranking is Shanghai 3x the size of NYC. Municipal borders are worthless for comparing cities in foreign countries.
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Old 11-19-2017, 10:12 AM
 
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By the same metrics, NYC isn't a big city in the same sense that Shanghai is. Shanghai has almost 3x the population of NYC. NYC is not in the top 20 of most populous cities in the world.
Right, Shanghai is more populous in any given area or metric one can draw as you try to adjust for different kinds of legal and commuter boundaries. However, itís not really 3x as large as Shanghaiís boundaries are much larger than NYCís. Itís a bit more like 1.5-2x more populous when you start trying to add analogous communities surrounding the city proper.
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Old 11-19-2017, 10:21 AM
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities

If we go by Urban Area (my favorite), NYC has 24 million and Shanghai has 23 million. If you go by metropolitan area, NYC has 20 million and Shanghai has 35 million people. In neither ranking is Shanghai 3x the size of NYC. Municipal borders are worthless for comparing cities in foreign countries.
To be honest, urban area and metro are kind of pointless when comparing NYC to anything else. New York is the most-self contained city in this country, and maybe the world. Itís the one US city where city proper is the most appropriate metric.
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Old 11-19-2017, 10:26 AM
 
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To be honest, urban area and metro are kind of pointless when comparing NYC to anything else. New York is the most-self contained city in this country, and maybe the world. It’s the one US city where city proper is the most appropriate metric.
Why do you say that? Personally, as someone who frequently does business in Shanghai and has a residence in NYC (Brooklyn) I think that Shanghai's numbers are overflated (as are most Chinese cities). Shanghai should be capped at 15 million.

But as to your NYC "self contained" comment, I want to hear more on this. Why do you think so? Is it the geography? Keep in mind that a lot of communities bordering Queens and the Bronx can be easily added. Not to mention everything from Newark to Jersey City. In fact, there was a many time I had to use the airport in Newark. It's nicer than LGA too.

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Old 11-19-2017, 10:46 AM
 
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Chicago is not a "big" city in the same sense NYC is. NYC is 3x the population size of Chicago. So in the context of NYC, Chicago is not a big city.
Thats a silly argument though, you can't just pick the largest thing and say "compared to this thing nothing else is big"

"Compared to Jupiter all the planets are small" yeah ok so?

There aren't a lot of things you in NYC that you can't do in Chicago besides being in NYC.

To me the question is alot like "So if I have skied in Utah, is it worth Skiing in Colorado, Wyoming, or Idaho?

The answer would be "Well, did you enjoy skiing? if yes, than yeah, it's prob worth it if you have the budget for it, if not, prob not."
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Old 11-19-2017, 03:03 PM
 
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To be honest, urban area and metro are kind of pointless when comparing NYC to anything else. New York is the most-self contained city in this country, and maybe the world. Itís the one US city where city proper is the most appropriate metric.
As someone who lives in the suburbs of NYC, I totally agree. Once you go deep enough into Long Island, it is NOTHING like NYC, not even the fringe areas. '
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Old 11-19-2017, 03:44 PM
 
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Chicago is not a "big" city in the same sense NYC is. NYC is 3x the population size of Chicago. So in the context of NYC, Chicago is not a big city.
This is silly NY is not 3x Chicago size and Chicago is nearly a mega city. By your logic London and Paris aren't big cities either cause they are closer to Chicago, than New York size.
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Old 11-19-2017, 08:08 PM
 
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I think Chicago is worth visiting for many reasons irrespective of whether one has been to or intends to go to NYC. NYC being much larger isnít a reason to skip Chicago, rather, itís actually interesting to see a prominent US city that is large and bustling but on a different scale and in a different part of this vast country with its own unique character.
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Old 11-19-2017, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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Of course it's a big city. Please.
It is definitely a big city by both American and European standards. By some Asian standards, especially Chinese standards, it's a mid sized city (some people from the larger cities would even say smaller city - but then again they would also say that LA is the same thing), but that's doesn't matter. My girlfriend's parents shared a Chinese article with me when they visited Chicago a little over a year ago that said in Chinese that Chicago has a "perfect balance of urbanism." My girlfriend has told me numerous times that "Chinese love Chicago" sometimes more than NYC even because of the better balance, at least downtown, or greenery to urbanism. A place which is bigger doesn't mean it's automatically better (not starting NYC vs. Chicago thing - just stating my own opinion on size). I happen to like Chengdu, China more than Beijing - both are big cities, but Chengdu is smaller. I also like Hangzhou, China more than Beijing - even smaller than Chengdu. It means nothing especially when you're dealing with cities with enough things to do, eat, etc.
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