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Old 01-17-2018, 10:42 AM
 
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I am not well traveled, but I have a couple.

With venders I have only have them be rude if I don't buy something...I have even had a knife pulled on me for taking my time to chat but then not buying something. I guess I was being rude and I didn't make that mistake again. I really do hate people aggressively trying to sell me junk so I am the rude one and ignore them and keep walking.

I was driving through the mountains in the USA and stopped in a tiny town that had obviously seen better days (they had a large factory that was closed and almost nothing else and were very remote). I just wanted to stretch my legs and maybe find something to eat. A few guys in trucks drove up, got out of their vehicles and glared at me until I got in my car...they even "escorted" me out of town.
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Old 01-17-2018, 12:25 PM
 
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Kindly do not presume to tell me what to do. Whats done is done. I suggest you turn your attention to another thread. Its not like this is being broadcast on the evening news. And like you know for sure it is a myth. There are others that would disagree with you. Your entitled to your opinion. I will not be bullied!
WOW!!! Bullied? I was offering my opinion of the topic which is entirely within the mandate of this forum. Actually my post might have helped you clarify the intent of your thread and gave you better focus to the response you claimed to be seeking in post #55 (i.e. not americans, but just any tourist in general). I guess that's the thanks I get.

Your response was uncalled for. Like the other poster said you can't be so sensitive and now I question who was rude to who in your OP observations.

The "myth" of American's being bad tourists I discussed in a previous post in this thread, along with support. But again what's confusing is I was actually trying to align it with your post #55.

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Old 01-17-2018, 02:56 PM
 
Location: NYC
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I travel a lot with English speaking tour groups. I have been to places and have had interactions where you get a definite vibe that Americans are not welcome or are undesirable tourists. Anyway, I have a few of experiences:
1. In Morocco, traveling with a 14 person tour group of women, men everywhere at mint tea houses sitting outside smoking and frowning at our group.
2. On a bus tour passing through Germany, stopping at rest stops and being treated rudely by cashiers as you try to purchase something without speaking German.
3. In Paris at the Moulin Rouge, rude waiters, and being herded like cattle in lines and packed into tiny tables; requests ignored.
4. From tour guides, making sneaky snide comments about Americans, e.g. In China, tour guide kept referring to Americans as "Big Nose"; On a tour through Europe, Tour Guide insinuating Americans are too demanding and are expected to be big tippers more than Australians.
5. Stopping on a cruise in Bahamas, where frowning vendors were rude and suck their teeth if you say not interested.

Have you visited places where you you felt unwelcome or singled out because you were American or simply just for being a tourist?
I'm going to point out, if it hasn't been already, that all of your examples are of groups of foreigners not speaking the local language pinballing between the well worn cliche tourist paths & expecting not to be treated as clueless chumps herded off a bus. After experience #3 I should think one would wise up & realize that kind of insular tour group travel invites being a target by the, typically poorer, people who live there day to day. I would suggest you start by buying a book by Rick Steves for your next trip & learn about independent travel.

Chinese commonly call westerners "long nose" or "white demon" the same way clueless Americans call Chinese "Orientals" or call every asian "Chinese". My experience is that Americans are typically welcomed in most places, probably not Paris if you're not fluent in French from what I understand. I have been to about 25 countries & most I have been to make a point of saying they like Americans & draw a distinction between us & our American government.

The tourists I have seen that aren't appreciated locally most in recent years are the Chinese, Russians & middle eastern Arabs. But I don't travel in "tour groups" or go on cruises because you don't experience an actual culture, you invite cynical locals that way, not the normal locals.

If you are non-white & speak with an accent you aren't welcomed warmly in large parts of the American South & midwest as well.
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Old 01-18-2018, 02:27 AM
 
Location: Sydney Australia
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I would just like to say that, although tours are not my ideal way of travelling, they certainly have a purpose. We have travelled many ways over many years and before we had our kids we spent four months driving around Europe in a camper followed by ten weeks in the US and Canada.

A friend pointed out, when her kids were teenagers, that there were a number of advantages with group tours for kids that age. The last major trip we had with both our kids was an around the world and included a two weeks highlights of Europe as part of about six weeks total. At that age kids tend to be more responsive to being told by the tour director to be at breakfast at 7 00am than if told by a parent.

These days many friends have to go for group tours or cruises as it becomes increasingly difficult to travel independently and manage the bags yourself.

Then there are places where it is simply much easier to travel on a tour and possibly safer.

Australians tend to be called Americanos when in Italy and I think the biggest issue Italians and others get with any of us is when we like to point out how much better things are at home. Whether they are or not, people do not want to hear it.

I know when my kids and the kids of our friends have returned from the standard five years working in England, they drive us crazy for a few months saying...but in London .....was much better.

A little empathy can go a long way when in another culture.
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Old 01-18-2018, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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Buckingham Palace; hey if you don't want me snooping around in your danky old basement, then don't leave the delivery gate and side door unlocked...and, how do you know that I wasn't wearing this suit of armor when I came in here?
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Old 01-18-2018, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Every so often these surveys come out of "worst tourist" and it tends to vary, but lately the Chinese seem to top most lists. Americans rarely top the lists. On this one from hotels.com surprisingly Brits came in #2. Actually if you read the fine print the worst are domestic tourists (i.e. tourists from ones own country):

Who are the world

The caricature of the loud and demanding US tourists is long gone amongst the tourist sites although I see we made #4 on the above list, perhaps contributed by the fact that when I travel I simply see...lots of Americans. Ironically this thread feeds the caricature, and it show because WE (in the US) declare ourselves the worst tourists WHEN WE POLL OURSELVES:

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/tra...ricans-f293837

Stop being so hard on ourselves. Rudeness is not limited to a nationality.
Brits are only on the list because young teens and students head off on cheap flights to the Med Resorts in places such as Zante, Malia, Kavos, Magaluf, Ayia Napa, Ibiza, Sunny Beach etc where they have strips with nothing but bars, clubs and fast food places. They sell cheap spirits and cheap beer virtually 24 hours a day and then act all surprised when these young kids start misbehaving.

It's like a 6 or 7 month long spring break kind of atmosphere times ten in most of these resorts.

If they don't want British and indeed German youngsters acting like idiots then don't fill your resorts full of bars selling dirt cheap alcohol 24 hours a day and crack down on the clubs and drugs etc.

The businesses make massive amounts of money from these resorts, and there are numerous deaths from drink, drugs, fights (the bouncers usually enjoy giving people a good kicking) and of course rental quad bikes, which drunken teens are encouraged to hire.

So ply these young kids with drink and drugs then act surprised when they act badly, and then label all British people trouble.

If they don't want trouble close most of the bars and make the areas family friendly rather than cater for mindless parting 24 hours a day and then be surprised when people don't act well..

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Old 01-19-2018, 07:20 AM
 
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Brits are only on the list because young teens and students head off on cheap flights to the Med Resorts in places such as Zante, Malia, Kavos, Magaluf, Ayia Napa, Ibiza, Sunny Beach etc where they have strips with nothing but bars, clubs and fast food places. They sell cheap spirits and cheap beer virtually 24 hours a day and then act all surprised when these young kids start misbehaving.

It's like a 6 or 7 month long spring break kind of atmosphere times ten in most of these resorts.

If they don't want British and indeed German youngsters acting like idiots then don't fill your resorts full of bars selling dirt cheap alcohol 24 hours a day and crack down on the clubs and drugs etc.

The businesses make massive amounts of money from these resorts, and there are numerous deaths from drink, drugs, fights (the bouncers usually enjoy giving people a good kicking) and of course rental quad bikes, which drunken teens are encouraged to hire.

So ply these young kids with drink and drugs then act surprised when they act badly, and then label all British people trouble.

If they don't want trouble close most of the bars and make the areas family friendly rather than cater for mindless parting 24 hours a day and then be surprised when people don't act well..
Yeah I know it and I've seen it. It's amazing these beautiful and exotic locations (like Greece, the coast of Spain and Portugal, many of the S.E. Asian countries) are traveled to them solely because they have cheap beer and lodging...forget the history and culture. Americans won't travel to Greece just to drink cheap beer and lay on a beach, it's to much of an investment in time and money, but for young Brits and Germans it's a quick plane trip. Same with Aussies and S.E. Asia.
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Old 01-19-2018, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
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I took a European vacation in September. Went to Amsterdam, Germany, and Barcelona. I was most looking forward to Barcelona and while I still enjoyed it, I did not feel welcome at all, especially in restaurants. Rudest people I've ever seen. I was shocked and disappointed.
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Old 01-19-2018, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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I travel a lot with English speaking tour groups. I have been to places and have had interactions where you get a definite vibe that Americans are not welcome or are undesirable tourists. Anyway, I have a few of experiences:
1. In Morocco, traveling with a 14 person tour group of women, men everywhere at mint tea houses sitting outside smoking and frowning at our group.
2. On a bus tour passing through Germany, stopping at rest stops and being treated rudely by cashiers as you try to purchase something without speaking German.
3. In Paris at the Moulin Rouge, rude waiters, and being herded like cattle in lines and packed into tiny tables; requests ignored.
4. From tour guides, making sneaky snide comments about Americans, e.g. In China, tour guide kept referring to Americans as "Big Nose"; On a tour through Europe, Tour Guide insinuating Americans are too demanding and are expected to be big tippers more than Australians.
5. Stopping on a cruise in Bahamas, where frowning vendors were rude and suck their teeth if you say not interested.

Have you visited places where you you felt unwelcome or singled out because you were American or simply just for being a tourist?
LOL.

I have been to several of this places and don't think it a reflection over the entire population's views on Americans.

I am Canadian and when travelling I always get called American even when I reminded that I am Canadian and it is a different country.

In Morocco I can say with certainty it is not that you are not welcome. In tourist areas you are usually getting the worse of the worse in terms of the population ex the beggars, hustlers, the shady people and the con-artist. Many of these people have bad lives. When you start to interact with people of better social standing in the country you will get a different experience. Also just curious where did this happen in Morocco? Seeing men sitting in cafes, talking about life, politics and drinking coffee is normal.

In many ways you can't blame people for being a bit jealous. Many of these people don't have that much and don't get to go on these grand vacations like we do. I am sure if you were a bunch of rich kids from Morocco sitting in the cafe they would have given you the same reactions.

In the Bahamas lol....welcome to the Caribbean it is the same. These are market people. My family is from the Caribbean so I get to say that lol. The people in better standing in life are not sitting around trying to sell you a straw bag. You got the ... "Hey pretty lady you want a nice bag too lol".

I was recently in Colombia and it was the same deal. The people selling stuff on streets will jump you and be rude with you if you don't buy stuff. Street vendors are like that in my developing countries.
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Old 01-19-2018, 04:09 PM
 
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Brits are only on the list because young teens and students head off on cheap flights to the Med Resorts in places such as Zante, Malia, Kavos, Magaluf, Ayia Napa, Ibiza, Sunny Beach etc where they have strips with nothing but bars, clubs and fast food places. They sell cheap spirits and cheap beer virtually 24 hours a day and then act all surprised when these young kids start misbehaving.

It's like a 6 or 7 month long spring break kind of atmosphere times ten in most of these resorts.

If they don't want British and indeed German youngsters acting like idiots then don't fill your resorts full of bars selling dirt cheap alcohol 24 hours a day and crack down on the clubs and drugs etc.

The businesses make massive amounts of money from these resorts, and there are numerous deaths from drink, drugs, fights (the bouncers usually enjoy giving people a good kicking) and of course rental quad bikes, which drunken teens are encouraged to hire.

So ply these young kids with drink and drugs then act surprised when they act badly, and then label all British people trouble.

If they don't want trouble close most of the bars and make the areas family friendly rather than cater for mindless parting 24 hours a day and then be surprised when people don't act well..
Yeah, blame the uncivilised greeks, spanish, czechs, hungarians, portuganese, bulgarians, dutch for british problems. Or French, Germans, or Belgians (when there is football to terrorize there). Some of these foreign people put on football matches just to make Brits get drunk and violent and destroy the place. And then they have the gall (or Gaul) to blame our British lads? What's with these people?
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