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Old 08-11-2018, 03:56 AM
 
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Sounds like a personal problem. No one forced them to be a housekeeper.

I used to flip burgers, getting $7 an hour was a great incentive for me to finish school. Best incentive I ever had.
If having to find money to eat and pay your rent is a “personal problem,” it’s one we all share.

And for some folks, being a housekeeper is the best they can either find or do. Folks who do this kind of work for a good amount of time often have little education, minimal local language command, dependents who they had thrust upon them at a young age, or some other issue holding them back. Either that, or they’re working a summer job to get by or try to stockpile some money for college. Or they live in a resort area where work is seasonal and unreliable; residents in areas like this often cobble together whatever they can get. Plus it’s darned hard and time consuming when you’re working full time to get sufficient education or conduct a heavy duty job hunt for the best of us, and some folks can’t manage it because of child or elder care responsibilities or some other reason. I doubt most people who clean rooms intend to do so for a long time, though sometimes things don’t work out that way for them.

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Old 08-11-2018, 04:40 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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If having to find money to eat and pay your rent is a “personal problem,” it’s one we all share.
Then apparently we were all born in a 3rd world country.

What part of “I flipped burgers” don’t you understand? No one owes me, you, or anyone else a penny.

The quicker you stop being a victim, the quicker you’ll start enjoying life.
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Old 08-11-2018, 05:14 AM
 
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Then apparently we were all born in a 3rd world country.

What part of “I flipped burgers” don’t you understand? No one owes me, you, or anyone else a penny.

The quicker you stop being a victim, the quicker you’ll start enjoying life.
Unless you were born with a trust fund that sets you up for life or marry somebody rich, you’re going to have to go out and earn money to put food on the table and a roof over your head — and perhaps for someone other than yourself as well. Is there something you don’t understand about that?

Of course no one owes you a living, and I certainly don’t remember saying so above. You think a maid believes they do? They wouldn’t be working otherwise.

And my experience suggests that those who can improve their lot in life usually do. But it takes a good while to get a degree for a step up if you’re working full time, especially if you’re stuck taking care of a young kid or two or an elderly parent. Did you have issues like this at the time? It makes bootstrapping a good bit easier if you don’t. Jobs like this tend to have a high turnover rate anyway, so it’s not like there are a lot of lifers in this line of work.

Further, school does cost money, and some folks can’t manage it financially — especially those who are stuck in menial jobs. Still others just aren’t smart enough to manage school. But they have to earn a living somehow.
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Old 08-11-2018, 05:39 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Unless you were born with a trust fund that sets you up for life or marry somebody rich, you’re going to have to go out and earn money to put food on the table and a roof over your head — and perhaps for someone other than yourself as well. Is there something you don’t understand about that?
Yes, the part where I’m suppose to be whining about it.

What does the government owe me exactly and when do I get to collect my payment?

Nothing? Wow, what a surprise. The key to prosperity and success lies within the choices I make. Imagine that.
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Old 08-11-2018, 12:33 PM
 
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Yes, the part where I’m suppose to be whining about it.

What does the government owe me exactly and when do I get to collect my payment?

Nothing? Wow, what a surprise. The key to prosperity and success lies within the choices I make. Imagine that.
You’re the one who said “Sounds like a personal problem” and made a non-sequitur crack about Third World Countries, not me. Seems sufficiently whiny to me.

And I did not say the government owes people a living. Feel free to bring forth the quote, if you think I did. In fact, I made the opposite point, that someone working housekeeping doesn’t believe that’s the case, otherwise they’d be on public assistance.

And personally, I happen to think two important keys to prosperity and success are luck and connections. Choices can sometimes influence this, sometimes not. Being saddled with an ailing parent if you’re poor isn’t exactly a choice, unless one considers either taking care of them best you can or throwing them in the street both to be viable options — and which isn’t really a choice unless one is a heartless bastard. Neither is being seriously disabled in a car wreck that’s not your fault, where you’re hit by a careless or drunk driver in the prime of your working life. Stuff happens sometimes.
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Old 08-12-2018, 04:35 PM
 
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lol, 19k a year sounds like enough to live on??? please tell me where?? federal poverty level is about 14k.
Why should this be a problem for hotel guests? Why aren't the employers like Marriott showing more concern for their employees instead of passing the responsibility to hotel guests? The hotel execs at places like Marriott are certainly taking home 6 & 7 figures a year (not including stock options) and don't seem to care about the federal poverty level for their own staff.

The masses have been conned into taking on the job of employer at every turn and the shareholders are laughing all the way to the bank.
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