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Ahhh so when you took pushing and shoving and elevated it to "manhandling" you weren't actually speaking from personal experience. This keeps on getting funnier.
What's funny is that even when given a definition of a word you choose to attempt to argue the definition. Pushing is manhandling, no elevation required.
Feel free to push, drag, batter, maul or tromp anyone you meet; you can just call it a caress if that suits you, but you don't get to change real definitions simply because they offend you.
The only thing that really bothers me is rude tourists. I accept their provincialism and lack of familiarity with the culture of my adopted country. What I am really happy about is when Danes, who have travelled to the US, come back and tell me how friendly and helpful Americans have been to them in the US.
Seriously? Post 36 here describes the pushing and shoving that occurred:
"When my daughter was living in Beijing, she had to take the subway to get to work. Near the end of her time there (about 15 months), she said she just lost it one day with all the pushing and shoving and yelled out "Someday you all are going to have to learn what manners are" or something to that effect. I asked her what the reaction was. She said, "They just sort of stared at me, probably shocked that this tall blonde woman speaks their language."
You responded to that in post 38, just fourteen minutes later. Those posts were the basis of my entries here. If it is impossible for you to accept actual definitions of the words used or to remember what the conversation is about, perhaps you should simply find another argument or not attempt to derail that which is taking place by posting things like pictures that have no relevance to the topic at hand.
And that was probably off-topic to begin with, as my daughter wasn't a tourist but was living and working in Beijing at the time!
I never claimed this was a legal issue. The poster who relayed the story of the incident never claimed it was a legal issue so of what relevance is a legal definition? I supplied a perfectly acceptable definition of a word from a viable dictionary; if you don't approve of the definition, I'm fine with that. I do not require your approval.
Actually you do require my approval if you're trying to use an aspect of the definition you supplied to prove your point to me, and I think you actually know quite well that the way you're trying to define "assault" isn't how it is commonly applied either practically or legally. Show me otherwise by answering this yes/no question:
Are all the people bumping shoulders and pressing against each other at the doors of the subway in Washington DC during rush hour assaulting each other?
Simple yes/no question, if you say "no" then you're admitting your feeble attempts to cast the definite assault as "any unwanted physical contact" are nonsensical.
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Originally Posted by kokonutty
Hardly hysterics, but I understand how you could go there in your effort to excuse all behavior, regardless of how unnecessary or inappropriate
Well hello straw man, I wasn't excusing all behavior I was addressing the cultural difference in some countries where it is common to put hands up against other in crowds. When you say "inappropriate" you're still thinking the entitled mindset of someone who believes every other culture should adhere to their own beliefs on behavior, it's the ugly tourist personified.
What's funny is that even when given a definition of a word you choose to attempt to argue the definition. Pushing is manhandling, no elevation required.
Well actually no, "manhandling" implies a level of roughness, and that is what is so funny about this whole thing you're imagining up all these dramatic levels of physical contact when it turns out you have no actual experience in it and are just interpreting "pushing" to mean something much more aggressive than it actually is.
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Originally Posted by kokonutty
Feel free to push, drag, batter, maul or tromp anyone you meet; you can just call it a caress if that suits you, but you don't get to change real definitions simply because they offend you.
I'm not offended that someone believes any unwanted physical contact is assault, just in awe that a rational person would try to hold on to such a narrow definition despite the obvious contextual aspects that come in to play. There was just a guy on the bus yesterday afternoon who's backpack was pressed against me because crowded, assault! I didn't want that contact. That picture of the Indian women in line to vote, all assaulting each other right? My wife wishes they had a bigger room at her yoga place because they often bump each other, I'll let her know that kokonutty has defined that as assault and she needs to go to the police immediately.
"push, drag, batter, maul or tromp" nahh no drama queen instincts here...
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So much time to spend fighting / finding fault with others (tourists, posters, locals, customs...)
We all should spend more time traveling "to perfection".
This seems to fulfill the past nightmare of employee performance evaluations.
Now we have "Tourist competence and behavior Evaluations",
Why? Must be for (ex) managers who haven't yet found an HOA to control and make life miserable for ALL residents?
Not so uncommon in retirement and volunteer organizations (churches included).
The very people who thrived on making work-life Hxll for the entire career of subordinates, now transition into 'natural leadership' roles in retirement... bossing neighbors, travelers, fellow volunteers, communities.
and now... "Tourist competence and behavior Evaluations"
Great
Do visitors like to be shoved around in Hawaii and yelled at as "Haoles", or jammed by 'pushers' onto a train in Japan, China, India... Probably not. So plan accordingly, as you will not be changing a culture just because you show up.
Actually you do require my approval if you're trying to use an aspect of the definition you supplied to prove your point to me, and I think you actually know quite well that the way you're trying to define "assault" isn't how it is commonly applied either practically or legally. Show me otherwise by answering this yes/no question:
Are all the people bumping shoulders and pressing against each other at the doors of the subway in Washington DC during rush hour assaulting each other?
Simple yes/no question, if you say "no" then you're admitting your feeble attempts to cast the definite assault as "any unwanted physical contact" are nonsensical.
Well hello straw man, I wasn't excusing all behavior I was addressing the cultural difference in some countries where it is common to put hands up against other in crowds. When you say "inappropriate" you're still thinking the entitled mindset of someone who believes every other culture should adhere to their own beliefs on behavior, it's the ugly tourist personified.
You don't get to frame the conversation to suit yourself. I gave a legitimate definition; you rejected it. Why?
Well actually no, "manhandling" implies a level of roughness, and that is what is so funny about this whole thing you're imagining up all these dramatic levels of physical contact when it turns out you have no actual experience in it and are just interpreting "pushing" to mean something much more aggressive than it actually is.
I'm not offended that someone believes any unwanted physical contact is assault, just in awe that a rational person would try to hold on to such a narrow definition despite the obvious contextual aspects that come in to play. There was just a guy on the bus yesterday afternoon who's backpack was pressed against me because crowded, assault! I didn't want that contact. That picture of the Indian women in line to vote, all assaulting each other right? My wife wishes they had a bigger room at her yoga place because they often bump each other, I'll let her know that kokonutty has defined that as assault and she needs to go to the police immediately.
"push, drag, batter, maul or tromp" nahh no drama queen instincts here...
Once again, a perfectly legitimate definition which you reject. So be it.
You don't get to frame the conversation to suit yourself. I gave a legitimate definition; you rejected it. Why?
Sure I do, I'm the one you're disagreeing with so I'm quite comfortable disregarding these absurd notions you keep bringing to the table. I rejected your definition of assault because:
1. Any rational adult understands there is a context to assault that goes far beyond unwanted physical contact
2. Whatever you can dig up on the internet doesn't automatically qualify as a legitimate definition.
Most telling is you're doing everything you can to ignore/avoid a simple yes/no question because you understand quite well how ridiculous it paints your argument, let's try again:
"Are all the people bumping shoulders and pressing against each other at the doors of the subway in Washington DC during rush hour assaulting each other? "
Once again, a perfectly legitimate definition which you reject. So be it.
So to you the guy who's backpack was pressed against me on the crowded bus was assaulting me. I do not. So be it.
Look at all the assaults occurring here. what a savage uncivilized society:
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