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Black neighborhoods, Asian neighborhoods, Hispanic neighborhoods. Pretty much any neighborhood that's neither a recent Italian neighborhood or food destination neighborhood.
Hey yeah, didn't he ever see "Do The Right Thing"? The story centers around an Italian-owned pizza place in a black neighborhood.
That movie came out 30 years ago! The world is a much different place now. There are still pizzerias in black neighborhoods but most of them are run by Hispanics now, and it's a stretch to call a pizzeria an "Italian restaurant".
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That’s nowhere near accurate.
How is not accurate? There are clearly more Italian restaurants in white neighborhoods (either neighborhoods that are still Italian or neighborhoods known for having a lot of restaursnts). Corona for instance used to be an Italian neighborhood and there are barely any Italian restaurants in 2019, times have changed and it's mostly Hispanic stuff there now.
That was super easy. There are no Italians restaurants within a 10 minute walk of either place. You're really shifting the goalpost by including pizzerias too, because pizzerias can be found everywhere in the country (often not of great quality).
Well, I won't insist on the Domino's or Little Caesars, which fit the walking requirements but a real pizzeria usually has more than just pizza. If I change to a five minute Uber ride you can find a lot.
And you did say that "much of New York" has no Italian food. That can only be true if "small pockets" is the same as "much."
I love how vibrant NYC is and I'm a Southerner. I can only handle it for a week at a time, but when I do I love the experience.
As for the chain restaurants, good, let all the folks go there and save room in the really good places.
EDIT: One caveat. Chinese food. Yes, there is really great Chinese food in NYC, but it's often the real deal and a unique experience for those of us used to Americanized Chinese food.
I went a very long time ago but I recall that it was really difficult to find a public bathroom, or someplace that would "allow" you to use their bathroom. Ultimately, I did find a hotel that was kind enough to do so, but I can understand why people pee and poop on the sidewalk.
Well, I won't insist on the Domino's or Little Caesars, which fit the walking requirements but a real pizzeria usually has more than just pizza. If I change to a five minute Uber ride you can find a lot.
And you did say that "much of New York" has no Italian food. That can only be true if "small pockets" is the same as "much."
Calling a pizzeria an "Italian restaurant" is a stretch, even if they sell more than just pizza. Especially that many of these places are no longer run by Italians, thus are low quality.
And it is large swaths, not small pockets. I could have provided many more examples
I went a very long time ago but I recall that it was really difficult to find a public bathroom, or someplace that would "allow" you to use their bathroom. Ultimately, I did find a hotel that was kind enough to do so, but I can understand why people pee and poop on the sidewalk.
We went last year at Christmas. Record Cold temps. We dressed appropriately, but the cold kept everyone but the tourists inside. If we went off the beaten path we may as well have been visiting a stage set. We stayed at an Air BnB and had a voucher for our plane tickets, but it was still pretty expensive. We tried to go to the Metropolitan Museum of art which was wall to wall people. Ended up at the MOMA which was the highlight of the trip, as well as Ellen's Starlight Cafe. People were very nice every where we went (except for some notably pushy tourist but they don't count)
I can see amazing theater in any decent sized town, so I really have no intention of ever visiting NY again. There are too many places I haven't been (never been out of north america).
Calling a pizzeria an "Italian restaurant" is a stretch, even if they sell more than just pizza. Especially that many of these places are no longer run by Italians, thus are low quality.
And it is large swaths, not small pockets. I could have provided many more examples
Someone said Manhattan had become homogenized and chain restaurants are one reason. They're not the only reason. There didn't used to be a Duane Reade on every corner; there were independent pharmacies and few chains. There wasn't a bank on every block, either. If you walked Manhattan north to south or etc. now, you could count the number of the same places you passed and it didn't used to be that way. I include empty storefronts as part of the list of the same things you see on every block now. Duane Reade, CVS, RiteAid, Burger King, McDonald's, empty storefronts by the dozen, and every bank over and over again, along with a host of corporate restaurants and 7-11s.
The reason you don't agree is that you have no idea what the city was before. And it doesn't matter if you're a fan of chains or not, what's happening in N. Brooklyn is not the city as a whole. There's always been some hip and trendy enclave. It doesn't mean the city hasn't overall homogenized, corporatized, and Disney-fied to a sad extent.
You need bodegas because 7-11 doesn't have cats or know your name. It's the humanity in certain kinds of places that makes you feel at home.
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The story centers around an Italian-owned pizza place in a black neighborhood.
