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Old 03-27-2019, 08:45 PM
 
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So, all that to say if the OP wants to go to the wedding, then go by yourself. I am sorry you won't fly. You could be up and back in a weekend. I totally get wanting to see family, but please reconsider taking your little one. You said it would be very tight if you brought a companion. Are you driving a single cab truck?
Her philosophical principles on flying are more important than her kid.
But she did say that if her kid couldnt handle the trip she would turn back.
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Old 03-27-2019, 09:41 PM
 
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Not only is this crazy, it's CRUEL! I'm sure you cannot remember being two years old, but perhaps you can remember being four, or five or six? Can't you remember what TORTURE it was, sitting in the car on long trips? Sure, now you can anesthetize the kid with videos in the car. Is it good parenting to subject a two year old to video anesthesia for NINE THOUSAND MILES, round trip?

If you were going to fly, sure. But don't even THINK of making this road trip. It would be a horribly selfish thing to do to your two year old. It's dangerous, stupid, and cruel. I cannot believe that your spouse would even think of allowing you to do this to your child.
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Old 03-27-2019, 10:00 PM
 
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Her philosophical principles on flying are more important than her kid.
But she did say that if her kid couldnt handle the trip she would turn back.
Except the kid probably isn't going to be screaming and crying on day 1. He'll probably get tired of being in the car for 15 hours a day by day 4 or 5. Then the OP has to decide if she wants to turn around and drive the 5 days back to Alaska with a screaming kid, or is she going to continue on for the 3 days to Tennessee and hope that the child doesn't also scream the whole way back to Alaska.
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Old 03-27-2019, 10:37 PM
 
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At two years old, the only time that our children were comfortable in the car for more than an hour or so, was while they were asleep. Other than that, they cried in frustration and misery to be confined to the car seat for so long. We only drove a three hour trip to the Cape, and we would ALWAYS plan it for nap time, or bedtime, so that they'd be asleep most of the trip. Plus there were almost always two of us adults in the car. Consider the very high energy level and short attention span of a toddler! At that age, they cannot sit still for a minute. Sure, they have to, if you strap them in, but it's cruel and unnecessary punishment in this case. So if you are absolutely hell bent on doing this drive, in my opinion, as both a parent and a professional, the only humane way to do it is to drive mostly when he is asleep, and to plan to stop at every possible enriching play location that you can along the way. By the way, he is most DEFINITELY going to get sick, stopping at indoor play arenas where many sick children touch the surfaces all day long. Think how much fun a vomiting illness in the car is going to be!

It's about a 75 hour drive from Anchorage to the East Coast. You need at least 8 hours of rest every night, sleeping lying flat in a bed, in a quiet and safe location, to be able to drive safely. So you need to stop at a hotel every night. Your toddler probably could be expected to take a two hour nap in the car in the middle of the day. So you could expect to do a three hour, maybe four hour leg in the middle of the day, including his two hour nap time (if you're lucky). The rest of it could be done as, say, drive an hour in the morning, stop for breakfast and then an hour of very active running around/play time, at an outdoor playground, or kicking and running after a ball. Drive another hour, more if he falls asleep. When he wakes up, stop for lunch, followed by an hour or two again of very active play to tire him out. Drive another hour, more if he falls asleep. Stop when he wakes up, for an hour or two of active play, followed by dinner. And then drive until you are the slightest bit tired, stop at a hotel, certainly by 8 PM, carry him sleeping into the hotel, and sleep until morning. Expect that he will wake up at first light - like 5 AM. So you'd better stop early enough to allow yourself 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep, or you will wind up falling asleep at the wheel.

The trip will take you a minimum of ten days each way this way, with twenty hotel stays, and sixty restaurant visits, because you're stopping at the restaurants to give him a break, to give him the chance to MOVE AROUND (because he's xxxxing TWO YEARS OLD, for God's sake), not just to feed him, and you need to stay in a hotel to sleep, so you don't die on the road. So let's figure you do this the cheapest way possible. Figure by some miracle that you can pay on average $80/night including taxes. And $30/day for cheapest horribly unhealthy fast food meals (you bring a lot of healthy snacks in the car, too). That's about $2000 round trip for food and lodging. Add in $1200 for gas. $200 for tolls. Not to mention the wear and tear a ten thousand mile drive puts on your vehicle. All in all, assuming everything goes well, essentially, the trip costs you about $4000. And that's assuming you don't have an accident, the kid doesn't get sick (and then get you sick) from stopping at all those infectorama fast food playscapes. And in order to have a week with the folks, you need to allow a month for the trip.

Or you strap that poor kid in the carseat, turn on the screen, and drive for as long as you dare between diaper changes (oh, and he WILL get a wicked diaper rash from this trip, since he's gonna be sitting in it for so many hours a day, day after day). You manage to actually drive 12 hours/day, because you HAVE to stop to change him a few times a day, and to feed him, and to gas up the car. He cries and screams in frustration, because all he wants to do is get down and MOVE, because he's a two year old! But you ignore it as best as you can, because now it's too late, and it's going to take just as long to go back, as to continue on. And it STILL takes you seven entire days of intense misery to get there. And then another seven entire days of intense misery to get back.

Are you crazy? Yes, I think you are. And if you do this to your two year old, I think you're also selfish, and cruel, and stupid. Your toddler's needs are greater than your needs to go home and show your parents their grandchild. Unless your philosophical opposition to complying with the security checks involved in flying is part of some strange cult that your parents also belong to, why don't you ask your mother whether SHE thinks that your driving back East, just you and the toddler, is a good idea?
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Old 03-28-2019, 04:42 AM
 
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This is silly. Have principled indignation about something more worthwhile.

Get on a plane and get your son his own seat.

14-16 days of 10-12 hours of driving per day will be miserable for both you and your child.

There is no way this is a good idea for any reason.
It is fine to have principles but it is also important to be practical in those principles. The offense she would take being screened at the TSA checkpoint twice will only be dwarfed by that which she may choose to take while being screened twice by Canadian Customs and twice by US Customs and Immigration during her round trip. Routine TSA procedures are certainly less intrusive than international customs procedures can be.
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Old 03-28-2019, 06:06 AM
 
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It is fine to have principles but it is also important to be practical in those principles. The offense she would take being screened at the TSA checkpoint twice will only be dwarfed by that which she may choose to take while being screened twice by Canadian Customs and twice by US Customs and Immigration during her round trip. Routine TSA procedures are certainly less intrusive than international customs procedures can be.
Also you are much safer flying this distance than driving for 10 days each way. After reading all the responses i hope the op has decided this is a crazy idea.
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Old 03-28-2019, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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I wonder if the OP is on a No-Fly list.
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Old 03-28-2019, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Savannah GA/Lk Hopatcong NJ
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I wonder if the OP is on a No-Fly list.
That crossed my mind as well, unless you have a deep rooted fear of flying, and there is anxiety drugs for that, to make that trip in a car with a two year old makes no sense it's totally crazy and flirting with disaster, especially with out a co driver.
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Old 03-28-2019, 07:41 AM
 
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Lest you think I have disappeared, I have purposefully not engaged in discussing why we won't fly because it is irrelevant to the question at hand.
You've been around since 2012 ... you should know better. Irrelevancy has never stopped CD posters from discussing. Basically you're just leaving it to speculation. And as you can see, CD'ers love to speculate!
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Old 03-28-2019, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Her philosophical principles on flying are more important than her kid.
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This is the crux of the matter.
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