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Old 03-27-2019, 09:07 PM
 
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So, I think that's the last time I'm going to stay at an Airbnb! Apparently, AirBnb thinks that it's just fine for the host to have hidden cameras in all but the bedrooms and bathrooms, and claim that if a picture was posted online of the room in which the camera was hidden, the "guest" was supposed to have noticed it, and that's considered good enough disclosure!

Yeah, I don't think so! Sure, you could have a sick hotel employee who hides a camera in a hotel room. But the hotel would fire them, and compensate you, and do whatever they could to prevent this. AirBnb is only concerned with their bottom line - not the safety of their "guests", nor their privacy.
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Old 03-27-2019, 10:13 PM
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Location: Spurs country. "Go, Spurs, Go!"
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My one and only experience with AirBnB was with a psycho owner. I immediately closed my account and will never use them again. This just "seals the deal".
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Old 03-27-2019, 11:32 PM
 
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Here is an interesting report on AirB&B issues from CBC Marketplace:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9_iZ2nH3lw
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Old 03-28-2019, 12:17 AM
 
Location: San Josť, CA
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Meh... for me, it's a bit like Kramer when he reverses his peephole.

Jerry: But then anyone can just look in and see you...
Kramer: Our policy is, we're comfortable with our bodies. You know, if someone wants to help themselves to an eyefull, well, we say, 'Enjoy the show.'

I only stay at airbnb's internationally and I just don't care about this nearly enough to freak out about. All of my experiences have been terrific and I truly doubt this is wide-spread enough to overreact about. I'd be more concerned with getting bed bugs.

What's even more likely that you've already been filmed in a public restroom and have no clue that someone is touching themselves to that image already. LOL seriously.
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Old 03-28-2019, 08:48 AM
 
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What do you people expect? The whole idea is....well, like Uber, what do you expect? Contrary to popular belief the rules in the transportation and hospitality industry, although often overreach, were established for good reasons.

What is the next equally stupid trend, unregulated restaurants run out of people's kitchen? Think of the money people could save, I mean I have an extra portion of spaghetti tonight you can dine with me for 5 bucks, I make a few dollars and you get a meal for less than at a restaurant, it is win-win right?

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Old 03-28-2019, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC
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So, I think that's the last time I'm going to stay at an Airbnb! Apparently, AirBnb thinks that it's just fine for the host to have hidden cameras in all but the bedrooms and bathrooms...
So how is that a problem? Especially since, as you said, it's not supposed to be in the bedrooms/bathrooms. Property owner protecting their property. Makes sense to me. Are you gonna be naked and/or having naughty-time in the living room of THEIR house?

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and claim that if a picture was posted online of the room in which the camera was hidden, the "guest" was supposed to have noticed it, and that's considered good enough disclosure!
I will agree that isn't good enough disclosure. I've seen a lot of listings where hosts mention cameras, but it should be standard.

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Yeah, I don't think so! Sure, you could have a sick hotel employee who hides a camera in a hotel room. But the hotel would fire them, and compensate you, and do whatever they could to prevent this.
The very article you posted said "The company refunded Vest’s money, paid for a hotel room for the night, and eventually removed the host from the site." The host was basically "fired", and the guest was compensated and given alternate lodging. Airbnb can't do local law enforcement's job.

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AirBnb is only concerned with their bottom line - not the safety of their "guests", nor their privacy.
This argument can be made about any company, including hotels.

Airbnb is a risk of course. Common sense will tell you that BEFORE you get into it. It's a risk that has served me well as a guest, though, so I guess I must be extremely lucky or magical. The platform is not perfect, but let's not act like the hotel industry's reputation is even close to spotless across the board.

Side note: the whole bellyaching over the "Ralph or Ray" name thing at the beginning of the article is silly fear-mongering. A lot of people go by both a proper name and a nickname. The host was a creep because of the bedroom camera issue, NOT the stupid name thing.
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Old 03-28-2019, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Great Britain
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https://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...airbnb/585007/

So, I think that's the last time I'm going to stay at an Airbnb! Apparently, AirBnb thinks that it's just fine for the host to have hidden cameras in all but the bedrooms and bathrooms, and claim that if a picture was posted online of the room in which the camera was hidden, the "guest" was supposed to have noticed it, and that's considered good enough disclosure!

Yeah, I don't think so! Sure, you could have a sick hotel employee who hides a camera in a hotel room. But the hotel would fire them, and compensate you, and do whatever they could to prevent this. AirBnb is only concerned with their bottom line - not the safety of their "guests", nor their privacy.
It depends where you are in the world however most plice would take this very seriously.

I know the UK Police would take the camera and arrest the owner and he would most likely end up in Court with a conviction for Voyeurism, a possible jail sentence and the individual being added to the sex offenders register.

Sexual Offences Act 2003 - Wikipedia

Upskirting is also taken seriously in the UK and new legislation has just been passed.

Voyeurism (Offences) Act 2019 - Wikipedia


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Old 03-28-2019, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Loudon, TN
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I own a vacation rental and struggle at times with the way my property is disrespected by guests. We have to pick up trash and other items thrown from our deck into the forest below (40 feet below, almost straight down a dangerous embankment). Why in the world are people throwing beer cans, wine bottles, and our personal property that furnishes the home off the back deck?? I even found a water bottle, filled with urine and re-capped, in the grass down there. There's a bathroom on that floor just 12 feet from the back door. I really want to place a camera in these locations to provide evidence of these morons littering and damaging my property, but I fear that that action would be viewed as "peeping Tom" behavior and is probably not legal. The back deck in question also contains a hot tub, and I know that people often use them unclothed. I have no interest in looking at other people's junk. Trust me, if you've seen one, you've seen them all. But I do want to protect my property and have evidence to collect damages from the jack-holes who throw stuff off the deck when there's a wastebasket within 6 feet of them. I'd also like to place one at the front entrance to be assured that they are not having more guests than the maximum allowed. We have a rate for 6 residents, and additional residents cost a small additional charge per person, per day, up to the maximum of 8. I can't actually know if they are abusing this without a visual count of the number of residents. I feel that stating there are cameras in use would discourage rentals. What's an owner to do?? I guess we just suck it up and endanger ourselves every month climbing down the embankment to clean up the trash thrown by the trashy people renting our cabin, and continue to lose income to cheaters who game the system.
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Old 03-28-2019, 01:43 PM
 
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I own a vacation rental and struggle at times with the way my property is disrespected by guests. We have to pick up trash and other items thrown from our deck into the forest below (40 feet below, almost straight down a dangerous embankment). Why in the world are people throwing beer cans, wine bottles, and our personal property that furnishes the home off the back deck?? I even found a water bottle, filled with urine and re-capped, in the grass down there. There's a bathroom on that floor just 12 feet from the back door. I really want to place a camera in these locations to provide evidence of these morons littering and damaging my property, but I fear that that action would be viewed as "peeping Tom" behavior and is probably not legal. The back deck in question also contains a hot tub, and I know that people often use them unclothed. I have no interest in looking at other people's junk. Trust me, if you've seen one, you've seen them all. But I do want to protect my property and have evidence to collect damages from the jack-holes who throw stuff off the deck when there's a wastebasket within 6 feet of them. I'd also like to place one at the front entrance to be assured that they are not having more guests than the maximum allowed. We have a rate for 6 residents, and additional residents cost a small additional charge per person, per day, up to the maximum of 8. I can't actually know if they are abusing this without a visual count of the number of residents. I feel that stating there are cameras in use would discourage rentals. What's an owner to do?? I guess we just suck it up and endanger ourselves every month climbing down the embankment to clean up the trash thrown by the trashy people renting our cabin, and continue to lose income to cheaters who game the system.
This is all part of the vacation property rental business. Unless your property is located on a large tract of private land the neighbors are probably not enamored with your rental of the property in the first place. If that is the case then I have little sympathy. I have had one too many once quiet vacation location ruined by free loading landlords who want a vacation property of their own yet not do not want to pay for it out of their own pocket so the turn it into a vacation property rental and destroy the location. Once again I have no idea if that is what you are doing but plenty of people do it.

Cool name by the name. A favorite character of mine.
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Old 03-28-2019, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Loudon, TN
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The cabin is on a street entirely occupied by vacation rental cabins, built for that purpose, in a tourist destination, so no "neighbors".
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