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Old 05-02-2019, 06:10 PM
 
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concrete and cement
and bricks and asphalt
and steel and stone and glass
and plastic and too many people.
i must see some other places.
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Old 05-02-2019, 06:32 PM
 
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Why was Rome disappointing?
They've all said that they found it dirty, far too crowded, far too commercialized, everything was massively overpriced and average at best. They said people were trying to rip them off at every turn, guards and employees of the various sites were rude and barked orders at them.

(Just sharing what I've heard. Like I said, I haven't been, so I can neither confirm nor deny)
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Old 05-02-2019, 06:49 PM
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Location: Spurs country. "Go, Spurs, Go!"
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There, I said it. If you havenít been, then donít think about it at all. Just go, at least once in your life.

Make sure your account balance is fat. You wonít be disappointed.
I have no interest whatsoever in visiting Paris or New York, and I spent 4 1/2 months in England taking care of a new granddaughter while her parents were military, plus a month when the new granddaughter was born and I couldn't wait to get home either time.

I am truly, as we are called, a "spoiled American" and proud of it.
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Old 05-03-2019, 07:17 AM
 
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Paris isn't that great. But it certainly beats Rome.

If you're going to France, go see Normandy, or Mont Saint Michel, not Paris.

Rome: **** it. Go see Switzerland. Or Vienna. Or the Greek Islands.
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Old 05-03-2019, 10:34 AM
 
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There, I said it. If you havenít been, then donít think about it at all. Just go, at least once in your life.

Make sure your account balance is fat. You wonít be disappointed.
I know an adventerous traveling young woman, currently living in Germany. She told me Paris sucks.

At any rate, I think my priorities are more along the Glacier National Park line. Can't afford to do nature and cities. Nature wins.
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Old 05-03-2019, 10:42 AM
 
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Agreed that these three cities are among the major must-see cities of the world. Amazing museums and other attractions, worthy architecture, and excellent food (London does have good food if you know where to look). Great theatre in NYC and London, too.

They’re not the only great cities out there, of course.
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Old 05-03-2019, 01:28 PM
 
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There, I said it. If you havenít been, then donít think about it at all. Just go, at least once in your life.

Make sure your account balance is fat. You wonít be disappointed.
I detest everything about these cities. Why would I go? The population alone makes me want to drop the idea immediately. We have enough people from NYC down here in NC that I can ask them anything I want to know. London? You mean the overpriced bullpen with the new sanctuaries where the police aren't allowed to go? Or you mean Paris, the pickpocket capital of the world, with the big tower to distract you from the smells of fresh (and stale) micturition overpowering any wafts from the whimsical bakery you might want to visit?

Give me NC, SC, GA, FL and I'll make the best of it. Plenty of mountains, trails, scenic byways, beach, farm, cities with big shopping and free parking lots...
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Old 05-03-2019, 02:27 PM
 
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been to all 3 and discovered that the further I got away from them, the happier I was as a traveler interested in the culture, history, and the realities of living in the respective countries.

Yes, some food and museums are of exceptional interest … but when I was in Paris last Fall, getting into the big name attractions was a bigger hassle than it was worth. Yes, we had a very nice ($$$$) meal at a Michelin starred restaurant. The happiest day of our Paris stay was when we boarded the bus, then train to Mulhouse. And then Strasbourg, and then down to the Cote D'Azur for a week to relax in the small towns there. Could've taken the rail to Monaco … just couldn't see the attraction of another too crowded tourist "must-see", I passed on that. Much preferred the countryside, local cheese and wine making and farms and the farmer's markets. Back in Paris for an overnight before our flight homeward, we got a nice hotel near CDG airport. We walked to an historic district nearby (via a short bus ride) and found what appeared to be a "nice" restaurant. After the spectacular meals we'd enjoyed, mostly that we cooked ourselves from the local markets down south, the last night meal in Paris was quite the let-down (not much better than the Seine riverboat dinner cruise we'd taken while in Paris. A piece of advice: if you must do a "must see" Paris Seine riverboat tour, take a daytime tour and not one of the dinner cruises)

Similarly, London's main tourist attractions hold little interest for me except some of the museums. Our happiest moments for London are seeing it in the rear view mirror of our hire car as we head out to the outlying, rural areas. Better food, nicer people, much more reasonably priced accommodations and things to do for us. Yes, I've been to some of the premier "high priced" top chef's restaurants in London (courtesy of others with the budget to treat us) … and found better food in small towns around the country.

NYC … I had to be there numerous times for a project a few years ago in the financial district. Stayed in a hotel at 32nd/Lex not too far away. My "boss", from that area, loved all the big city attractions and leased/borrowed some very fancy townhouse accommodations for himself, like 3,000 sq ft apartments. I could neither afford the time or money for the shows, sports events, or similar activities which he was astounded held no interest for me. And the people there that I dealt with were all pretty cold, abrupt, and rude. A couple dinners at Peter Lugar's didn't make up for the annoyances of being in that city … and departing the restaurant was a lesson in safety there, as in they won't let you leave the restaurant on your own. They see you from the door to the cab they've hailed so that you're OK in the neighborhood. Not my kind of place to live at or want to visit, thank you.

IMO, the OP's premise is flawed. There's a lot of people I know that do not find the attractions of the big cities worth the trade-offs that big city lovers are willing to make.

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Old 05-03-2019, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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There isn't a lot particularly spectacular about NYC anymore. Its extremely expensive and smells bad and is very crowded and dirty. The food is decent but mostly being taken over by chain restaurants you can find anywhere because minimum wage has ruined a lot of small business. It is beautiful though. Even the stereotypical times sq experience has been ruined by costumed characters and men selling cds. You have to work a lot harder to find those eclectic off the beaten path experiences that NYC used to be known for, and impossible without a reservation
And yet, there's a lot of different kinds of food in NYC that you'd have to search far and wide to find elsewhere. Thinking Ethiopian, Korean BBQ, and I think there's still heavy competition among Indian restaurants down on East 6th St.


I'm old enough to remember when Times Square was crawling with hookers, peep shows, and porn theaters. But then Rudy cleaned it up and Comrade Bill let it fall to ruin again. Life's full of cycles and someone else will clean it up once the voters get fed up enough.


I can understand listing NYC as one of the top world cities to see, but only if you're a fan of big cities. Other people would rather see beaches, or rain forests, or mountains. To each his own.
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Old 05-03-2019, 03:41 PM
 
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And yet, there's a lot of different kinds of food in NYC that you'd have to search far and wide to find elsewhere. Thinking Ethiopian, Korean BBQ, and I think there's still heavy competition among Indian restaurants down on East 6th St.

ethnic restaurants are far more accessible around the USA than you may be aware of. I can readily find such places in SLC and Denver, and I see them in a lot of towns that aren't "foodie" destinations.

Fort Collins and Boulder Colorado have had such ethnic restaurants for almost as long as I've been in the area, since the mid-1960's. Such specialty restaurants are not a new presence at all.
In particular, Indian fare was readily available for decades, with more than a few competing restaurants in the area. Along with Thai, Vietnamese, and Japanese restaurants long established here with far wider offerings than the common "Chinese" restaurants that had been around since the 1860's when the railroad brought in those foreign workers.

With the popularity of the 'net and restaurant ranking sites, the marketing for many restaurants has been greatly expanded for decades, which helps folks seeking such fare to find the restaurants. Especially for travelers, a moment's research in their area can get them to these places … I know this has helped me find such places "off the beaten track" many times.

I continually get astounded by the 'net reviews which are prefaced by a reference point that the folk are "surprised to find good (ethnic variety) food in a given town" … like Casper, or Rapid City, or some other place where it's just not expected due to their ignorance from "back home". IMO, there's kind of an arrogance about their point of view, as in "the hicks out here wouldn't know about such a sophisticated palate". Shocking, isn't it, that food suppliers around the country can deliver quality ingredients to restaurants almost anywhere and there's enough local demand to support such ethnic restaurants at these far outposts?

Even an outpost with few dining choices such as Cheyenne WY has a well regarded Korean restaurant.

The bottom line is that the big cities such as NYC don't have anywhere near the "exclusive" on ethnic restaurants which may be their perception of the restaurant marketplace.


I can understand listing NYC as one of the top world cities to see, but only if you're a fan of big cities. Other people would rather see beaches, or rain forests, or mountains. To each his own.
very much agree with the above statement.

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